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WARFIELD BEE said:
Not sure I get where your going on that one, seem to remember Gray was £600k ish?
I believe Vibe and Hofman were considerably more as would Djuricin if we were to sign him, also we have to pay 3 salaries against 1.
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We made 9.5m profit on gray (or whatever it was). We used about 1.5m of that money to produce more goals this season. Surely that is about as succesful example of the model that you will ever see. We still have 8.5m left to cater for ffp, keep us in the black and bring in players like woods, Josh and several of the others.

I can't understand why you are struggling with the concept so much.
 

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b42long.... said:
Finding players that have potential Selling them and not realising it will only make our competitors stronger if the premier league is the goal.... At some point MB will have to back a squad and keep it together to achieve the goal.... That is not a dig at MB just an observation.
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I think slowly but surely the monies we have/will receive will make us financially stronger and able to pay better wages. For example this season I believe we have increased our playing budget by 25% compared to last year. The sales of Gray and Moses in particular will have helped with this and still ensure we meet the FFP rules.

I imagine as FFP is relaxed, the large transfer fees being received, plus the additional income when we move to the new ground, we will get to a position where we become the hunter, unless a very large club come in for our players.

I reckon we have 2/3 years before we get to that position though.
 

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WARFIELD BEE said:
Not sure I get where your going on that one, seem to remember Gray was £600k ish?
I believe Vibe and Hofman were considerably more as would Djuricin if we were to sign him, also we have to pay 3 salaries against 1.
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Vibe and Hoffman were always going to be here. Djurucin was the Gray replacement.
 

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mhead bee said:
We made 9.5m profit on gray (or whatever it was). We used about 1.5m of that money to produce more goals this season. Surely that is about as succesful example of the model that you will ever see. We still have 8.5m left to cater for ffp, keep us in the black and bring in players like woods, Josh and several of the others.

I can't understand why you are struggling with the concept so much.
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We didn't make anywhere near that (yet) and we haven't produced more goals.
 

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Says he is interested in burnley, f k him off northern monkey
 

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b42long.... said:
Probably best he leaves, it's starting to become apparent that this has been coming for a while, whilst loyalty is totally vacant in the current game it's frustrating that the warbs hangover has lasted this long, yearly contracts must be the way forward as the current system is so stacked towards the player
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Players and their agents can circumvent contracts - the way that a good accountant can save you tax money- Clubs need better legal people which include T&C's that are onerous if they leave before the contract terminates whatever the circumstances( Is the Jota situation a lot of bull. If he wants to get out of his contract and return to Spain, he should pay it up out of his savings or offer a large percentage of the money that we will lose- these guys are rich- who knows?) unless the Release Clause is met. There is nothing to stop him flying back for three days a week. These should be reviewed by the DOF's et al on an annual basis so the club can't lose. Football is not well managed as we all know.
 
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Icrazy it's looking more likely we going to lose the spine of the team.
Tarky to burnley 6million
Judge to whoever offers over 8 million
Toums to Rangers 1 million
Dean rumoured unhappy and not signing new contract (if my memory is right)
Jota to celta Vigo or Eibar Loan rest season ( due to his family life ).

All not completed or 100% certain but is there anyone else starting to wonder where that's going to leave us if we do sell all the following, or this a part of mb and Brentford plan to take us to the next level, not sure what to think
 

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JonoBfc said:
O'Connell and Dean scares me. A replacement needed ASAP I think its only a matter of time before Tarks goes
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They 'scare' me most in terms of how comfortable they are on the ball ie they are not nearly as comfortable as Tarky. It's going to be 'fun' watching us trying to play out from the back with them as our CB pairing! :sad:
 

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billy1996bichon said:
Icrazy it's looking more likely we going to lose the spine of the team.
Tarky to burnley 6million
Judge to whoever offers over 8 million
Toums to Rangers 1 million
Dean rumoured unhappy and not signing new contract (if my memory is right)
Jota to celta Vigo or Eibar Loan rest season ( due to his family life ).

All not completed or 100% certain but is there anyone else starting to wonder where that's going to leave us if we do sell all the following, or this a part of mb and Brentford plan to take us to the next level, not sure what to think
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I think we have lots of potential replacements lined up if they all go :)
 

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The policy is if you don't want to play for Brentford anymore we move you on for an acceptable price to us pretty quickly, see Forshaw, Moses Dallas and eventually Andre.

I'd been happy enough with 3 million a few add ons and Long for Tarky, so holding out for 4 million and a few add one, say 500k if they get promoted as they will have the cash and a interested percentage in his sell on will fit the bill. Burnley know how we work already as we have a quarter interest on the profit on Andre when he moves on allegedly.

Interested in the next cab on the rank, Barbet and Jack O'C get first crack but Phil Giles spread sheet file on left sided central defenders will be refreshed hourly you feel in the next week.
 

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King John said:
Players and their agents can circumvent contracts - the way that a good accountant can save you tax money- Clubs need better legal people which include T&C's that are onerous if they leave before the contract terminates whatever the circumstances( Is the Jota situation a lot of bull. If he wants to get out of his contract and return to Spain, he should pay it up out of his savings or offer a large percentage of the money that we will lose- these guys are rich- who knows?) unless the Release Clause is met. These should be reviewed by the DOF's et al on an annual basis so the club can't lose. Football is not well managed as we all know.
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The issue regarding the contracts is I suppose up for debate and it's the only over the last few years we have offered contracts with any length. I'm and just surprised by the level of upheaval this season which, appears to continue.
 

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Doovster said:
I think we have lots of potential replacements lined up if they all go :)
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Hope your right!!!!! Does that mean we right off this season and possible next if these new lads take time to bed in. Or could we just be lucky and improve straight away on what we got.
 

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Mick.C said:
The policy is if you don't want to play for Brentford anymore we move you on for an acceptable price to us pretty quickly, see Forshaw, Moses Dallas and eventually Andre.

I'd been happy enough with 3 million a few add ons and Long for Tarky, so holding out for 4 million and a few add one, say 500k if they get promoted as they will have the cash and a interested percentage in his sell on will fit the bill. Burnley know how we work already as we have a quarter interest on the profit on Andre when he moves on allegedly.

Interested in the next cab on the rank, Barbet and Jack O'C get first crack but Phil Giles spread sheet file on left sided central defenders will be refreshed hourly you feel in the next week.
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All the doubters and those saying MB is selling to make a buck please read this. We are in the big boys league now. Our players play well they attract attention FACT!!! And there will be clubs out there that can and will pay more then we can do FACT!

Get over it. Player power will win through. So long as the club gets the right deal im ok with it. Players come and go but i hope MB and his family will be here for decades to come.

See what MB has done for us in 3-4 years........................ Imagine what he could do in 10-20 years?

These players will be replaced.
 

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I'd look forward to watching us play any team with Tarky in it,he has his good points but he's an accident waiting to happen.
If he goes then i'd be happy to see JoC or Barbet given a chance for the rest of the season,that's why we bought them in the first place and ultimately Bjelland is the choice CB on the left side once he's fit again.
We should now be looking for 2 right sided CB's to replace Tarky now and Dean if he's going at the end of the season.
 

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IslandBee said:
They 'scare' me most in terms of how comfortable they are on the ball ie they are not nearly as comfortable as Tarky. It's going to be 'fun' watching us trying to play out from the back with them as our CB pairing! :sad:
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It scares me a lot of the time when we try to play out from the back even with Tarky and let's not forget how we conceded the goal against Boro at home last season. O'Connell and Barbet both have potential in IMHO they just need a run in the side.
 

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Freebee said:
I'd look forward to watching us play any team with Tarky in it,he has his good points but he's an accident waiting to happen.
If he goes then i'd be happy to see JoC or Barbet given a chance for the rest of the season,that's why we bought them in the first place and ultimately Bjelland is the choice CB on the left side once he's fit again.
We should now be looking for 2 right sided CB's to replace Tarky now and Dean if he's going at the end of the season.
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Hoff or Vibe isolated up top without Judge in the side and Tarks will have a field day if he comes up against us. Sorry
 

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King John said:
It was mentioned in the Brentford FC newsnow news collation website
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Must have missed that, however it does beggar the question if there is a release clause at the figure you suggest then why did we tell Fulham no move under £5m

Perhaps it's not in his contract but was just a discussion topic, if it was then I am pretty sure it would have come to light in the current negotiations
 

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The Pipe said:
Must have missed that, however it does beggar the question if there is a release clause at the figure you suggest then why did we tell Fulham no move under £5m

Perhaps it's not in his contract but was just a discussion topic, if it was then I am pretty sure it would have come to light in the current negotiations
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I don't believe the article, we rejected a bid of £2.5M now everyone happy to pay £4M, hopefully it's the reserve price and a bidding war can begin but doubt it.
Same article says Gray could be off to Swansea but thought some on here said he was eligible to play ?
 
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Only reason I can think of for reducing the price is to get the deal done quickly as we may have targets of our own to bring in ?
 

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BerksBee said:
Crikey, sounds like West Brom, Sheffield Wednesday, Derby and Norwich are all now interested now the price has supposedly been reduced to £4m.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/11/report-sheffield-wednesdaywest-brom-both-want-james-tarkowski-as/?
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Naarwich wont.....they have just got Pinto and are eyeing up Timm Klose (2.5 mill could be shout for us?).....Derby & Sheffield...nah.......West Brom......can't see it.....Burnley.....yup! (or so I am told!).....just hope it gets sorted sooner rather than later,so that we can get on with it........friggin mid season transfer window.....pah!
 

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I mean in that it is a credible source of true information!
 

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jlove said:
I mean in that it is a credible source of true information!
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It's just a collection of news stories from various websites. Some of the websites are credible, some less so.
 

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mhead bee said:
We made 9.5m profit on gray (or whatever it was). We used about 1.5m of that money to produce more goals this season. Surely that is about as succesful example of the model that you will ever see. We still have 8.5m left to cater for ffp, keep us in the black and bring in players like woods, Josh and several of the others.

I can't understand why you are struggling with the concept so much.
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£6.5 for Gray so far, take off sell on for Luton there is not as much as you think left, plus Vibe and Hoff were more like £2million, anyway as you rate KK I can't take it too seriously,
and for your info I do understand the concept I just feel it has not been as successful with the summer signings and Woods aside doubt that we will see a profit on the current crop,
except perhaps Colin,Djuricin not included as he is not yet permanent.
 
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Boon said:
It scares me a lot of the time when we try to play out from the back even with Tarky and let's not forget how we conceded the goal against Boro at home last season. O'Connell and Barbet both have potential in IMHO they just need a run in the side.
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It we stop playing it out from the back the football we have played for most of the last two years is finished. While Tarks has sometimes made mistakes doing this (which is inevitable), for the money we look likely to get for him, we will find it incredibly difficult to find some capable of doing it as well who is also capable of mixing it with big championship lumps. Barbet is promising as a ball-playing CB, but a wet night away against Northern Bastards United .... mmmm!
 

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Doovster said:
I think slowly but surely the monies we have/will receive will make us financially stronger and able to pay better wages. For example this season I believe we have increased our playing budget by 25% compared to last year. The sales of Gray and Moses in particular will have helped with this and still ensure we meet the FFP rules.

I imagine as FFP is relaxed, the large transfer fees being received, plus the additional income when we move to the new ground, we will get to a position where we become the hunter, unless a very large club come in for our players.

I reckon we have 2/3 years before we get to that position though.
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Exactly, until we reach that point we need turnover, to generate the turnover we need to turnover players as this is where the big money is.
 

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IslandBee said:
It we stop playing it out from the back the football we have played for most of the last two years is finished. While Tarks has sometimes made mistakes doing this (which is inevitable), for the money we look likely to get for him, we will find it incredibly difficult to find some capable of doing it as well who is also capable of mixing it with big championship lumps. Barbet is promising as a ball-playing CB, but a wet night away against Northern Bastards United .... mmmm!
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Laurent Koscielny is smaller than Barbet and just as French and he does alright. I say give the guy a run alongside Tarks, if he's as good as we hope then it makes life easier for us as we'll already have someone who can replace him as a ball playing CB. That will leave us free to find a right sided CB who's really good at the ugly stuff, but who we wouldn't need to be a super technician (although a decent touch is a necessity for all players in our system to a point).

Best case scenario we lose our most talented defender but end up with a properly effective, balanced partnership which I think most agree we don't have at the moment. If that happens and we get a good defensive midfielder we could still end up improving our defence and making a profit by the end of the window.

That's how I see it anyway now the initial mild panic has worn off.
 

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jbee said:
Best case scenario we lose our most talented defender...
...That's how I see it anyway now the initial mild panic has worn off.
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I don't even think he's our most talented defender - Bidwell and maybe even Colin (from what I've seen of him) would be bigger losses, though I know it's not a direct comparison as they're not centre backs.

No panicking here - give us £4m and we can all move on.
 

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jbee said:
Laurent Koscielny is smaller than Barbet and just as French and he does alright. I say give the guy a run alongside Tarks, if he's as good as we hope then it makes life easier for us as we'll already have someone who can replace him as a ball playing CB. That will leave us free to find a right sided CB who's really good at the ugly stuff, but who we wouldn't need to be a super technician (although a decent touch is a necessity for all players in our system to a point).

Best case scenario we lose our most talented defender but end up with a properly effective, balanced partnership which I think most agree we don't have at the moment. If that happens and we get a good defensive midfielder we could still end up improving our defence and making a profit by the end of the window.

That's how I see it anyway now the initial mild panic has worn off.
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Yep, the scenario you outline is the one I hope for in my more positive moments. I like what I saw of Barbet but I hope the coaching staff have worked on his heading and the physical stuff since he has been with us - and yes he will definitely need a thoroughly competent and experienced tough nut next to him, Bjelland when fit hopefully.
 

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I've a feeling that Barbet is yet another Brentford urban hero who gets better and better the less he actually plays. We have 3 left-sided centre backs, the one we can presume to have been first choice is injured and successive coaches have preferred a right-side centre back to the two alternatives, and O'Connell has been preferred to Barbet. That tells us a lot.

It is my opinion that our centre backs and holding midfielders are the number one issue to address if we are to progress (with apologies to magicbees) and that a complete overhaul is the only long-term solution.
 

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jlove said:
I've a feeling that Barbet is yet another Brentford urban hero who gets better and better the less he actually plays. We have 3 left-sided centre backs, the one we can presume to have been first choice is injured and successive coaches have preferred a right-side centre back to the two alternatives, and O'Connell has been preferred to Barbet. That tells us a lot.

It is my opinion that our centre backs and holding midfielders are the number one issue to address if we are to progress (with apologies to magicbees) and that a complete overhaul is the only long-term solution.
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Was it the Preston game when he looked decent after a very shaky start?

Either way, you're right. We've not seen anywhere near enough of him to judge whether he's good enough or not.

Let's not forget though though he set us back about £500k so you would hope he'd be ready relatively soon.

FWIW I didn't like what I saw of Bjelland either in pre season or the Oxford fiasco. Again, not enough to make a proper judgement but he looked painfully slow and I dare say he's not going to have got any quicker since the injury.

There's been talk of Egan from Gillingham who looks decent IMO.
 

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It is my guess - and only a guess - that Bjelland was brought in more for an experienced head. The others were probably more for development. None of our centre backs and holding midfielders are blessed with any pace, anyway, so that is something to be addressed. I expect the injury and Dean, Toumani and Tarkowski situation will trigger a complete overhaul by next August.
 

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WARFIELD BEE said:
£6.5 for Gray so far, take off sell on for Luton there is not as much as you think left, plus Vibe and Hoff were more like £2million, anyway as you rate KK I can't take it too seriously,
and for your info I do understand the concept I just feel it has not been as successful with the summer signings and Woods aside doubt that we will see a profit on the current crop,
except perhaps Colin,Djuricin not included as he is not yet permanent.
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What did you say about me and KK....go and wash your mouth out with soap......
 

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Mick.C said:
The policy is if you don't want to play for Brentford anymore we move you on for an acceptable price to us pretty quickly, see Forshaw, Moses Dallas and eventually Andre.

I'd been happy enough with 3 million a few add ons and Long for Tarky, so holding out for 4 million and a few add one, say 500k if they get promoted as they will have the cash and a interested percentage in his sell on will fit the bill. Burnley know how we work already as we have a quarter interest on the profit on Andre when he moves on allegedly.

Interested in the next cab on the rank, Barbet and Jack O'C get first crack but Phil Giles spread sheet file on left sided central defenders will be refreshed hourly you feel in the next week.
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Defo agree about getting Chris Long; either outright or in part exchange; high quality striker in the making imo and from what I saw of him last season; for a young guy he intuitively knew how to make and get into space, something that is hard to teach.
 

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jlove said:
It is my guess - and only a guess - that Bjelland was brought in more for an experienced head. The others were probably more for development. None of our centre backs and holding midfielders are blessed with any pace, anyway, so that is something to be addressed. I expect the injury and Dean, Toumani and Tarkowski situation will trigger a complete overhaul by next August.
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To be a good defender you don't have to have pace...just looking at the PL there's kompany, Huth , mertersacker , Terry, Collins , Dann ....these are just some of the players regularly playing for teams who are in the top 7 ( and Chelsea)
 

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hanworthbee said:
To be a good defender you don't have to have pace...just looking at the PL there's kompany, Huth , mertersacker , Terry, Collins , Dann ....these are just some of the players regularly playing for teams who are in the top 7 ( and Chelsea)
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Everybody used to rave about Sol Campbell and how he had pace. Seemed that more often or not he used his pace to get himself out of the trouble his inability to read circumstances had got him into
 

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hanworthbee said:
To be a good defender you don't have to have pace...just looking at the PL there's kompany, Huth , mertersacker , Terry, Collins , Dann ....these are just some of the players regularly playing for teams who are in the top 7 ( and Chelsea)
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Agreed but we simply haven't seen enough of Bjelland to make a judgement call. The money we spent for him and his pedigree indicate that he should be excellent at this level but we won't know until next season.
 

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jlove said:
I've a feeling that Barbet is yet another Brentford urban hero who gets better and better the less he actually plays. We have 3 left-sided centre backs, the one we can presume to have been first choice is injured and successive coaches have preferred a right-side centre back to the two alternatives, and O'Connell has been preferred to Barbet. That tells us a lot.

It is my opinion that our centre backs and holding midfielders are the number one issue to address if we are to progress (with apologies to magicbees) and that a complete overhaul is the only long-term solution.
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I don't think anyone knows whether he is the answer or not and I've not seen anyone building up his capabilities. He is though a first team player so surely would be worthy of consideration.
 

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One lump in the middle with experience and organising abilities......3 behind (4 inc keeper)........2 either side.........2 infront and 2 up front ......what can be simpler?

Button
Collin Barbet Bidwell

Mcreachan "LUMP" MaCleod

Canos/LONG Judge
Djurican
Hof

Excuse spelling!! and just giving example.........rip to shreds , but open to discussion!!
 
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hanworthbee said:
To be a good defender you don't have to have pace...just looking at the PL there's kompany, Huth , mertersacker , Terry, Collins , Dann ....these are just some of the players regularly playing for teams who are in the top 7 ( and Chelsea)
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I'm not saying that. But one of the 'central four' has to have pace; at the moment, no one has. Even wide Bidwell is not a sprinter but Colin does seem to get about well.

It's why I'm suggesting it needs a rethink.
 

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West Brom now apparently interested in Tarky.

Let the bidding war commence.
 
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