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nick logan
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Funny how people want TC " rotated " after a defeat but never after a win.
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NorthamptonBee
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As do some when it might be HD to be fair
Not at all mate, I can take or leave HD or any player, the calls for HD to be dropped earlier on this run and even after Saturday were strange as he has played better than TC in every game during this run and starting with the defeat at Bolton, I stuck up for CD too much and Karleigh in my time but that was due to the critics being OTT about their respective abilities, I'm ok with the CBs, I see their limitations and good points. You lot are too in love with TC, he was very poor at the weekend and Graham gave him a rough time last week, captain or not captian, he's had a couple of below par games, nothing to do with HD.
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That is very true, its a difficult one. There is not right or wrong decision if we win on Saturday, but if we lose we could be having the same debate again, results speak louder than performances which is probably wrong and can protect a player from being dropped when he probably should be. The one good thing for me is that whatever Warbs does/or does not do is ok by me.........unless we get beat of course
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Totally agree, whatever 2 CBs play is of little importance other than the result.
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I really want Tarky back in the side but I don't know how he will currently get back in the side, other than suspension or an injury. I thought it was excellent management by MW in keeping Dean/ Craig partnership today.
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He'd be gone for at least 28 days then, as you cannot return within that loan time period. I cannot see this ever happening. More Development Squad matches needed to keep James, Sam, Tommy et al, all fit and ready to step in when needed.
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are you being serious? who on earth is going to come on with any injuries or sending offs during the game, Kevin? - madness !
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I backed you lot today FFS, Lee helping out Gary methinks....
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Gave his boots to someone after the game Over after smashing the ball at them during Half time practice
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the kid was 2 up from me, I shouted to James that I got a ball in my face too - he pissed himself laughing..
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Right choice to stick with HD and TC today, Tarky will just have to do what Harlee did, wait for his chance and then play so well that he keeps the other centre back out. We are very lucky to have three high quality centre backs.
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Did you go to match last week. I'm not going to be selfish but you don't want talent see wasted. If he's not good enough for the team let him go and let him develop and prove he's good enough.
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What? I went and only HD came away, out of the back four, with some credit. TC, Moses & Jake weren't great, but do you drop your captain and any other player because they had one bad game? No. I'm happy Warbs is picking the XI. Tarkowski needs to bide his time and be ready to step in when he's needed. It'll come.
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I didn't go to the Huddersfield games but as I've said elsewhere the back four and Button had enough credit in the bank to ensure none of them were dropped after one defeat. Tarky will get game time, he'll definitely play in the cup against Brighton and will come in if we get any suspensions. Out of interest, who do we play at centre back if Tarky went on loan and we picked up an injury to one of the CBs?
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I agree so don't you think the performance of TC in previous games warrented him staying in the side. If so then Tarkowski has no chance of getting a chance to prove himself, after all he was left out due to five bookings and not his performance on the pitch.
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His performances on the pitch have been good, when he's played, but picking up 5 bookings - a couple probably stupidly - hasn't helped him. He's young, he'll learn and come back stronger. At the moment we're winning, 1 defeat in 7, and things are liking good. Some want TC dropped but in my opinion HD and JT don't seem to gel.
ps Most of your posts have been about James. Are you his agent? Related? Or JT himself? :suspect:
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No an oldham fan you has seen Him develop and can see his talent.
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Everyone having ago about him not playing, he's doing a very important job of keeping Harlee on his toes. How good has Harlee been since he's come in? Tarky will get his chance but right now our 2 centre backs are doing a great job. As bad as Tony was last week he has been a pillar of consistency over the last 3 and a half seasons and shouldn't be dropped on 1 bad game in however many. Tarky got his 5 bookings that's his cross to bare, albeit he got booked at Watford for tackling a bloke then they got a penalty and I believe his 5th was him flapping his arms about something and the ref being just as petulant got a ridiculous booking. Nonetheless he's doing a fine job of pushing Harlee to a much higher level than he'd prior shown and Tony is doing what he does. Team should stay the same until Warbs decides otherwise.
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If he doesn't hes going to start wondering what he has to do to get some game time. Shouldn't take a suspension or a red to get on the pitch after today.
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whyteleafebee76
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Its a tough call, Craig is one of my favourite players ever for the Bees and I don't like too many changes to the back 4 but I think the Tarky/Dean combination should play against Wolves and Brighton in the cup.....then lets see where we are at the point.
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Agreed. It's up to Dean and Tarks to prove they are the future CB pairing IMO. I do have a worry though that Craig's leadership of the defence will be missed but on the same hand, his performances over the past few games haven't necessarily merited a starting berth.
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Craig is important to our passing game but he has not done his prime job lately. He has been bullied by Graham, Holt, Gestede and now Murphy so I think it is time for him to have a break.
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Some stats. Don't crucify me if their slightly off.
Goals conceded with CB pairings with tarks used
HD - JT: 1.6 goals per game. (6 games, 2 clean sheets)
TC - JT: 0.75 goals per game. (20 games, 9 clean sheets )
Goals conceded with CB pairings without tarks used
HD - TC: 1.93 goals per game (16 games, 2 clean sheets)
Taken from when tarks was signed in feb, till now.
Speaks for its self really.
Goals conceded with CB pairings with tarks used
HD - JT: 1.6 goals per game. (6 games, 2 clean sheets)
TC - JT: 0.75 goals per game. (20 games, 9 clean sheets )
Goals conceded with CB pairings without tarks used
HD - TC: 1.93 goals per game (16 games, 2 clean sheets)
Taken from when tarks was signed in feb, till now.
Speaks for its self really.
wanderer paul
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Stats can be used in many ways. How many points has each pairing picked up? I think Nada Bee did this a while ago.
TC needs a break and Tarky needs to come in. Hopefully JT and HD can form a good partnership. We'll see soon enough.
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Agree with that WP.
Craig's had a struggle in December, poor at Huddersfield, Kenwyne Jones put the wind up him at Cardiff last half hour Saturday and got bossed by Murphy today.
Good forwards, good tests, but when personal performance dips it's time to use the talent in the squad, Tarky has waited two months for a dip in form, it's happened, time for Tarky to polish his boots and show there is competition for places.
No sentiment, just healthy competition Breadman always states, Time for Tarky to get a nod to start. 9 goals conceded in 4 games is a stat to stop.
Craig's had a struggle in December, poor at Huddersfield, Kenwyne Jones put the wind up him at Cardiff last half hour Saturday and got bossed by Murphy today.
Good forwards, good tests, but when personal performance dips it's time to use the talent in the squad, Tarky has waited two months for a dip in form, it's happened, time for Tarky to polish his boots and show there is competition for places.
No sentiment, just healthy competition Breadman always states, Time for Tarky to get a nod to start. 9 goals conceded in 4 games is a stat to stop.
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James Tarkowski -
I've said for months that Tarky should be in the team and I have no doubt he will be on Sunday.
But stats can hide things.
3 things about yours
1) You shouldn't compare league one and championship opposition its not fair
2) Even if you just used Championship teams, there's a big difference playing a team like Blackpool and and a team like Middlesbrough
3) Even if they are leaking goals, you have to remember that whilst we may have our first choice centre back pairing in games, the rest of the team might be missing due to injuries or suspensions etc.
Whilst for me it goes without saying its a Forshaw for Sunday (a no brainer) that Tarky steps in. Stats can always be manipulated to help any argument. 87% of people know that.
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Tarky has to come in for Dean now
Dean has done very well but he was poor today
but i m must emphasise Harley has done very well and played better than anyone expected
Dean has done very well but he was poor today
but i m must emphasise Harley has done very well and played better than anyone expected
James Tarkowski -
Why drop him then? Dean has been consistent since he came back into the starting 11 but Craig has been poor a number of times recently.
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Think that's a bit harsh. I'm pretty sure if our defence were playing in league one, they would probably be the best.
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Plus the 4 have done really well, they have buckled slightly under pressure from a decent and beastly forward or two and things probably need changing, I wouldn't knock the efforts of the 4 thus far.
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