James Tarkowski -

[jlove]

It all boils down to what our D'sOF believe his value is to BFC versus what Burnley's DOF believes his value is to Burnley; it's not a car showroom with a RRP on display and a personal lease option. Those valuations will be dependent on the alternatives at each club, so, in BFC's case, Dean and possible right-footed acquisitions will be in play; in Burnley's case, I'd guess it is possible bids for Michael Keane and how many miles are left in Duff.

 

[Copper Dragon]

in Burnley's case, I'd guess it is possible bids for Michael Keane and how many miles are left in Duff.

We need a centre back anyway regardless of those situations. We lost our captain and centre back Shackell in the summer. We currently have Keane, Duff and Mee who has been moved from left back to centre back in the last couple of weeks (although he did start his career as a centre back).

Kevin Long who has just come back from a bad injury and is on loan at Barnsley and Tom Anderson who has been promoted from the U21's but has never played a competitive match.

You are right though in the fact that if we lost Keane (it won't happen in this window though) it would give us more money, more of an urgency to get one and we'd probably pay the £5 million or nearer to it.

 

[King John]

It all boils down to what our D'sOF believe his value is to BFC versus what Burnley's DOF believes his value is to Burnley; it's not a car showroom with a RRP on display and a personal lease option. Those valuations will be dependent on the alternatives at each club, so, in BFC's case, Dean and possible right-footed acquisitions will be in play; in Burnley's case, I'd guess it is possible bids for Michael Keane and how many miles are left in Duff.

I agree but he wants to talk to them which sways the balance in Burnley's favour (essentially, he wants to go if he wants to talk to them and we don't want to keep an unhappy player so just like Moses, the Judas culture takes over and he will leave - the only question is meeting a win-win transfer figure which I believe will be his release clause which I have seen mentioned is £3m. Lesson for BFC is to put in higher release clauses when negotiating contracts based on Championship values)

 

[Doovster]

I agree but he wants to talk to them which sways the balance in Burnley's favour (essentially, he wants to go if he wants to talk to them and we don't want to keep an unhappy player so just like Moses, the Judas culture takes over and he will leave - the only question is meeting a win-win transfer figure which I believe will be his release clause which I have seen mentioned is £3m. Lesson for BFC is to put in higher release clauses when negotiating contracts based on Championship values)

I'm struggling how we turned down £5M from Fulham in the summer if there is a release clause of £3M? Think you might have incorrect intel there to be honest.

 

[Teehee61]

Native north, expect he's missing his chips with gravy..............

Either that or he just hates jellied eels !

 

[mundee4england]

I agree but he wants to talk to them which sways the balance in Burnley's favour (essentially, he wants to go if he wants to talk to them and we don't want to keep an unhappy player so just like Moses, the Judas culture takes over and he will leave - the only question is meeting a win-win transfer figure which I believe will be his release clause which I have seen mentioned is £3m. Lesson for BFC is to put in higher release clauses when negotiating contracts based on Championship values)

Where did you see this release clause mentioned? First I've heard of it!

 

[wanderer paul]

I agree but he wants to talk to them which sways the balance in Burnley's favour (essentially, he wants to go if he wants to talk to them and we don't want to keep an unhappy player so just like Moses, the Judas culture takes over and he will leave - the only question is meeting a win-win transfer figure which I believe will be his release clause which I have seen mentioned is £3m. Lesson for BFC is to put in higher release clauses when negotiating contracts based on Championship values)

There isn't a release clause of £3 million. The Club has a valuation figure for Tarkowski and he won't be going on the cheap!

 

[Lush55]

We need a centre back anyway regardless of those situations. We lost our captain and centre back Shackell in the summer. We currently have Keane, Duff and Mee who has been moved from left back to centre back in the last couple of weeks (although he did start his career as a centre back).

Kevin Long who has just come back from a bad injury and is on loan at Barnsley and Tom Anderson who has been promoted from the U21's but has never played a competitive match.

You are right though in the fact that if we lost Keane (it won't happen in this window though) it would give us more money, more of an urgency to get one and we'd probably pay the £5 million or nearer to it.

Already said .....your lot are looking to replace Duff......Keane not going anywhere........3.25 plus addons and possibly a player movement involved is going to seal the deal......your mate "Burnley" can say what he likes, MY peeps at The Turf have told me today to expect an announcement soon,possibly as early as tonight/tomorrow definitely before Friday.
They also laughed and sang "Many a tear has to fall,but it's all in the game"............yea right!!!.............well here is one for you head turners..............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTJE-uNCi54

IMHO Tarks is not worth 5 mill......but I hope we move on this deal and get someone in like Naarwich have just done with Ivo Pinto (2.3 mill),I am not saying we spend that much,but just puts into proportion what you can get and what is out there for decent money............PS.........did you know Burnley were also monitoring Pinto???........perhaps that is why they went quite..lol......give my regards to Burnley (the town,not the pratt!!) .....lol......oh and good luck with Tark's........and you aint got no chance of AJ......he ain't no cotton spinner!!

 

[SmiffyBee]

I am so out of touch with the concencus on here. I can't put into words how tasteless it feels or how I feel. I have learnt today that apparently the agents run the club. So in that over inflated list of personnel listed in the programme each week,who is earning their crust or who do we trust.
We are on the verge seemingly of selling twice in one season our top goal scorer to a rival team. If that is all part of a new vision it needs explaining to me but maybe being around too long I won't understand. Now other rumours surfacing about our players. The club's reticence will be justified but again I won't feel that justification . I will just remembered be when we mattered. It's just my perception.

If players feel that they cannot progress from Brentford to "bigger clubs" they won't sign in the first place.
There are some bigger clubs out there, than Brentford FC
With that in mind, we will always see our best players being tempted away for big money - that's life - and single players or group of players leaving will not mean the end of the club.
No player is bigger than the club.

 

[Copper Dragon]

It's a bit early in the day to be three sheets to the wind Lush55.

It's Michael Duff's birthday today, 38 years old. I hope that 'your peeps' got him a card.

 

[Burnley]

5million loool we got Barton on under 20.grand a week and you think JT will be bought for that were stingy you just don't get it.

 

[nick logan]

5million loool we got Barton on under 20.grand a week and you think JT will be bought for that were stingy you just don't get it.

We only ever sell at inflated prices or not at all , it seems you don't get it.

MB wont budge , any deal regardless of how its broken down or structured will amount to his asking price.

 

[Manchester_Bee]

Even with £2m we could replace with better or equal I suspect. Bjelland comes to mind in this regard. I hope we take this opportunity to off load our error prone CB, who has moments of greatness and replace with someone even better.

So when Burnley finally agree to give us £5m sometime next week, I am confident that the money will be reinvested on someone far superior to take us to the promised land, via the automatic spots next season.

 

[Burnley]

We will soon see although price wouldn't be told we can wait for the yearly accounts.

 

[Ghost]

We only ever sell at inflated prices or not at all , it seems you don't get it.

MB wont budge , any deal regardless of how its broken down or structured will amount to his asking price.

Yes but it's a big gamble when and if any clauses will be realised.

 

[nick logan]

Yes but it's a big gamble when and if any clauses will be realised.

No gamble involved , the Andre up front fee was his minimum , the rest is all a bonus if it happens.

 

[nick logan]

Even with £2m we could replace with better or equal I suspect. Bjelland comes to mind in this regard. I hope we take this opportunity to off load our error prone CB, who has moments of greatness and replace with someone even better.

So when Burnley finally agree to give us £5m sometime next week, I am confident that the money will be reinvested on someone far superior to take us to the promised land, via the automatic spots next season.

error prone !! He's been largely outstanding since Leeds away imo

 

[CTBee]

5million loool we got Barton on under 20.grand a week and you think JT will be bought for that were stingy you just don't get it.

You don't get it that we don't want to sell, we haven't approached Burnley and asked them for £5m.

 

[Bixer]

5million loool we got Barton on under 20.grand a week and you think JT will be bought for that were stingy you just don't get it.

I don't see what there is for us to 'get'? We're not exactly desperate to sell him, it's you who wants him.

Don't wanna pay £5m? Shame. See ya later then.

 

[IslandBee]

error prone !! He's been largely outstanding since Leeds away imo

He'll have to go before some fans recognise his value!

 

[Les Beeavinu]

5million loool we got Barton on under 20.grand a week and you think JT will be bought for that were stingy you just don't get it.

Apparently though, Keane according to you is worth £6m. I still haven't heard from you why you think Keane is twice as good (but maybe if you rate Tarkowski so low he shouldn't go to you). Is it because he plays for mighty Burnley, 5 whole places above us in the table? Once again, the last player you got from us turned out to be better than anything you had but you had to pay top dollar to get him.

 

[Billy Hunt]

He'll have to go before some fans recognise his value!

Very true.

 

[South Acton Bee]

5 m starting price or they can find another club to mug off

 

[fallacy]

Even with £2m we could replace with better or equal I suspect. Bjelland comes to mind in this regard. I hope we take this opportunity to off load our error prone CB, who has moments of greatness and replace with someone even better.

So when Burnley finally agree to give us £5m sometime next week, I am confident that the money will be reinvested on someone far superior to take us to the promised land, via the automatic spots next season.

Regularly spouted on here that the players should look at others who have previously left us and utter 'Grass isn't always greener'

Well it works both ways, every player that has left us in the last year or so has been met 'easily replaceable' - well the replacements haven't all been that great tbh

 

[Lush55]

It's a bit early in the day to be three sheets to the wind Lush55.

It's Michael Duff's birthday today, 38 years old. I hope that 'your peeps' got him a card.

Still working mate.........now if you and your mate go back over your posts, what has been written basically comes to what you have been saying........I honestly BEElieve in our owners valuation and like Mr L has said that will not shift, but it will become undisclosed and deals will be done that suits MB,bee it money upfront,addons,player/s etc,etc..........you lot will not get JT on the cheap and your lot know that, hence the comments made...........regards Duff , yup know that , also know brother Shane....did you go to his do's in April and May last year?......I did and they were great.......anything else you wish to know about your club?

I honestly could not give a diddly squat what you and your mate think......I am reporting what I have been told to friends on this forum,if you want to savage that in anyway then frig off to your own,IF I am wrong with the info,then so be it,nothing to hide,nothing to be ashamed of.....if it is wrong info,then we just have the "Northern Monkey's" to blame.....oh by the way "Burnley" I cannot see your comments,so if you want to enter into a sensible convo without any crap, then PM me........I will endeavour to give you some insight into your club........lol

 

[BerksBee]

You are right though in the fact that if we lost Keane (it won't happen in this window though) it would give us more money, more of an urgency to get one and we'd probably pay the £5 million or nearer to it.

Interesting you think Burnley would be more inclined to match our valuation if you lost Keane based simply on the urgency of finding a replacement. Yet, with Keane still there, you seem adamant Burnley will not pay our valuation? I think that says a lot about how Burnley view the valuation of players. If it suits them they'll pay it, if doesn't, they want them cheap. Unfortunately (for Burnley) I think the Brentford management view the valuation of assets slightly differently.

It's also curious how Burnley value Keane at £6m but don't think Tarkowski's worth £5m, even though he's being acquired as a replacement for Keane.

I don't think Keane will go this window either, but I also don't think he's viewed as the future at Burnley, I think you expect to lose him at some point in the future and want a ready replacement.

I hope we hold out for our valuation of Tarkowski, let's see how much Burnley want him.

 

[Burnley]

Apparently though, Keane according to you is worth £6m. I still haven't heard from you why you think Keane is twice as good (but maybe if you rate Tarkowski so low he shouldn't go to you). Is it because he plays for mighty Burnley, 5 whole places above us in the table? Once again, the last player you got from us turned out to be better than anything you had but you had to pay top dollar to get him.

Keane has played at a higher level and played with England since his 16's. Has played more football than JT and more games in this division.
As for gray he is our best striker only coz ings left though and top dollar? Il call it a bargain getting the leagues highest scored for 6m.

 

[Burnley]

JT is more desperate to leave you for us than we are to get him from you lets put it that way coz he will be benched if bought that's for sure.

 

[Bixer]

JT is more desperate to leave you for us than we are to get him from you lets put it that way coz he will be benched if bought that's for sure.

And where did you get that information per chance? Our of your arse like the rest?

 

[BerksBee]

JT is more desperate to leave you...

He can be desperate to do whatever he likes.

He's not going anywhere unless you match our valuation.

 

[kevalutonbee]

Keane has played at a higher level and played with England since his 16's. Has played more football than JT and more games in this division.
As for gray he is our best striker only coz ings left though and top dollar? Il call it a bargain getting the leagues highest scored for 6m.

I'd call it a bargain if it were a flat 6 million too but it isn't is it?

You bought him to score the goals to get you back to the land of milk and honey and our rather street savvy owner knows that and when it happens a rather large i.e multi million payment is coming our way

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I'd call it a bargain if it were a flat 6 million too but it isn't is it?

You bought him to score the goals to get you back to the land of milk and honey and our rather street savvy owner knows that and when it happens a rather large i.e multi million payment is coming our way

And paid a huge eff off wage too, let's not forget that, there was a reason why AG wanted Burnley and never interested in Hull. Burnley folk are blind to this fact.

 

[BerksBee]

And where did you get that information per chance?

I think it's fairly common knowledge that Tarkowski would like to move back to the NW to be nearer his family. A move to Burnley would provide that for him.

I wouldn't be unhappy to see him go as long as we got our valuation for him.

 

[Burnley]

I'd call it a bargain if it were a flat 6 million too but it isn't is it?

You bought him to score the goals to get you back to the land of milk and honey and our rather street savvy owner knows that and when it happens a rather large i.e multi million payment is coming our way

There's no guarantee anyone will score goals lad we bought him to develop him into our next big sale.

 

[kevalutonbee]

There's no guarantee anyone will score goals lad we bought him to develop him into our next big sale.

Stop nicking our model Matthew has copyrighted it

oh and if your version works the same way as ours you would have to sell him for around £80 million

 

[josht]

As for gray he is our best striker only coz ings left though and top dollar? Il call it a bargain getting the leagues highest scored for 6m.

Which is all a bit ironic really, seeing as we've sold you our top scorer, took £6m + loads off you, and we've scored more goals than you this season! You're also about to stump up several more million pound for a central defender in one of the leakiest defences in the division.

What a club Burnley is :bound:

 

[Burnley]

And paid a huge eff off wage too, let's not forget that, there was a reason why AG wanted Burnley and never interested in Hull. Burnley folk are blind to this fact.

I would put it down to the fact that our recent record with strikers is phenomenal and he wanted to be a part of that.
Hull turned down Austin from us that's how daft they owner is.

 

[Billy Hunt]

I would put it down to the fact that our recent record with strikers is phenomenal and he wanted to be a part of that.
Hull turned down Austin from us that's how daft they owner is.

:laugh:
...and the massive hike in his weekly wage was just an added bonus. :laugh:

 

[Burnley]

Which is all a bit ironic really, seeing as we've sold you our top scorer, took £6m + loads off you, and we've scored more goals than you this season! You're also about to stump up several more million pound for a central defender in one of the leakiest defences in the division.

What a club Burnley is :bound:

What a club Brentford is lol you scored more than us woow but hey ho your still looking up at us in the table.

 

[Burnley]

:laugh:
...and the massive hike in his weekly wage was just an added bonus. :laugh:

Of course especially moving on from the pennies he got from you lot weekly.

 

[kevalutonbee]

I would put it down to the fact that our recent record with strikers is phenomenal and he wanted to be a part of that.
Hull turned down Austin from us that's how daft they owner is.

So if you had offered him the same terms he had with us he would have still moved, dream on


Note to self WTF am I feeding a troll?

 

[Burnley]

And where did you get that information per chance? Our of your arse like the rest?

I'm a sponsor for Brentford and have people working at the club having had an office in your building.

 

[Burnley]

So if you had offered him the same terms he had with us he would have still moved, dream on


Note to self WTF am I feeding a troll?

No because we don't carry change to give him low wages.

 

[Chorlton Bee]

I'm a sponsor for Brentford and have people working at the club having had an office in your building.

Quick question, have you ever kissed a girl?

 

[BerksBee]

I would put it down to the fact that our recent record with strikers is phenomenal and he wanted to be a part of that.

Tell me, how many sitters has Gray missed this season? He misses far more than he scores.

 

[josht]

What a club Brentford is lol you scored more than us woow but hey ho your still looking up at us in the table.

Given the difference is 6 points yet your budget is three or four times ours, then I'd be mightily embarrassed with the return on investment if I were a Burnley fan.

 

[Burnley]

Quick question, have you ever kissed a girl?

No lol

 

[Burnley]

Tell me, how many sitters has Gray missed this season? He misses far more than he scores.

Sitters missed - 0

 

[Burnley]

Given the difference is 6 points yet your budget is three or four times ours, then I'd be mightily embarrassed with the return on investment if I were a Burnley fan.

Not really more to come from us yet lad.

 

[BerksBee]

Sitters missed - 0

Now, now, no need for fibbers!

I happen to know he's missed quite a few, some costing you three points!