Kevin O'Connor

[Jimbee]

He should be playing right midfield with Williams coming on as an impact sub as anyone who was at the Yeovil game will testify.

 

[nick logan]

Does anyone remember the goal he scored against Norwich I think it was a cup game he played well that day.

Yes i got told off for running on the pitch

 

[nick logan]

Read the post I'm replying to. It states that with Kevin playing we won't be found wanting, something about battling qualities required at this time of the year. Well we may not have noticed him but he was playing and we were outbattled in midfield by Jones and Toner.

I think the blokes a great clubman and I'd like to see him get a great turn out for his testimonial, but he isn't a player who will make the difference for us IMHO. He'll work hard, and he won't be outclassed ot embarrassed very often. Equally he won't dominate or change games, and if we really expect to win automatic promotion we need a midfield general capable of making things happen. Kevin never has and never will on his own, nor will two holding midfielders alongside each other every become an attacking force.

For me, we hope that Poole can find a killer ball to Charlie and we hope that Williams will find a decent cross to Elder once he gets past his man. We do not play the ball through the middle of park, we do not surge forward through the middle of the park, we do not spray long passes to the wings from the middle of the park, Nathan and Charlie do not have support close to them from the middle of the park and that for me is the biggest problem. If we can address we will be there or thereabouts, if we don't we may make the play offs but no better.

I agree with all of this mate don't hate me.

 

[nick logan]

KOc is better than Bean?

It really makes you wonder does it not?

 

[nick logan]

From what ive seen from the likes of Halls, Josh Wright, Bean and Pead KOC is more than worthy of a place in the side in place of or along side any of these

Bean is a much better midfielder than KOC. He has played well this season.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

It really makes you wonder does it not?

IMO Bean is the best CM we've had since Talbot, now that doesn't mean that Championship sides are lining up to buy him but we've had some right crap in there recently and Bean is better listening on my ears when his name is read out.

 

[Ghost]

IMO Bean is the best CM we've had since Talbot, now that doesn't mean that Championship sides are lining up to buy him but we've had some right crap in there recently and Bean is better listening on my eyes when his name is read out.

Mutants out

 

[sonofabee]

I agree with all of this mate don't hate me.

I don't mate, just wish we could sort midfield which hasn't had an effective dynamo who ran games since Evo, far too long ago.

 

[LingfieldBee]

KOc is better than Bean?

YES!

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

YES!

No on their respective performances so far this season he's not.

 

[Braemarroad_Bee]

Does anyone remember the goal he scored against Norwich I think it was a cup game he played well that day.

Yes that was in the 90th minute wasn't it?! down the brook road end, a cool left footed finish into the corner, 1-0!

I think Kev's best year's under the team were under Martin Allen when he was right-back, he looked very comfortable there and weighed in with free-kick goals and penalties

I used to even think Kev was Championship standard back then, but he's lost his way since, especially during relegation season, as did most the players!

Maybe he's worth a few more goes in midfield as he can't be match fit yet,

I'm more of a fan of Bean now than i was few weeks ago, still think he has alot of weak areas though, such as passing accurately any further than 10 yards!

 

[shouldbee]

IMO Bean is the best CM we've had since Talbot, now that doesn't mean that Championship sides are lining up to buy him but we've had some right crap in there recently and Bean is better listening on my ears when his name is read out.

I agree with you, Bean is a quality player but unfortunately some of the "experts" on here seem to miss what he actually does. I don't think there is any point in comparing him to Kevin, they are different players and I think that given a decent run they could play together in CM.
If I was AS I would want to keep KOC in the starting eleven.

 

[bees52 bomber]

As a matter of interest what sought of dough would you all think Kevin is on each week only to have him sitting in the seats???? So they wouldn't let him go to cheltenham ???? why not i ask myself whats the prob with A S if he doesn't feature in future plans how is this good management .
maybe someone in the hierarchy could answer this simple question???

 

[taybren]

http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/...fcnews/3825118.O_Connor_keen_to_remain_a_Bee/

nice to see that especially in this day of age of money and no loyalty!

 

[WarrenBee]

http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/...fcnews/3825118.O_Connor_keen_to_remain_a_Bee/

nice to see that especially in this day of age of money and no loyalty!

I thought he was older than 26.

 

[rebus]

why not i ask myself whats the prob with A S if he doesn't feature in future plans how is this good management

It's all a matter of opinions, is it not? At present Kevin does not fit into Andy's first eleven. There's plenty of football to be played this season but I guess if Kevin hasn't forced himself back into the first team by New Year it will be very unlikely he will be at Griffin Park past May.

 

[big neil]

Yes that was in the 90th minute wasn't it?! down the brook road end, a cool left footed finish into the corner, 1-0!!

That was a good strike, Robert Green was in goal for Norwich I think.

 

[Ambrose_1889]

Well I for one still believe Kevin is still up to it even if Andy Scott doesn't. It's great to read that article and I really hope that Kevin gives Scott no choice but to include him in the first eleven. The man is Mr Brentford and an exceptional player, not to mention his fierce loyalty to Brentford FC. He could have walked for a Championship level club on many occasions but instead stayed loyal to Brentford. In my opinion, the man is only 26 and there's still alot to come from Super Kev!

 

[bees52 bomber]

It's all a matter of opinions, is it not? At present Kevin does not fit into Andy's first eleven. There's plenty of football to be played this season but I guess if Kevin hasn't forced himself back into the first team by New Year it will be very unlikely he will be at Griffin Park past May.

Well fielded mark as usual ,break the thread down and only answer some of the question . Well maybe you can tell us the rest of the question IE wages ,must be one of the top earners and wont let him go to cheltenham ??? so he sits on his jack ,so in the mean time the club pay his wages every week .now if that's not bad management i dont know what is ???? so if he went out on loan we would have to pay his wages which would be a better interest to us as a team because he would be getting first team regular football and when he comes back to us he will be a a more stable and better player full of confidence ???? or do it the bfc way and totally demoralize the chap it sucks big time .

 

[Brian]

must be one of the top earners and wont let him go to cheltenham ???

Haven't read the rest of the thread but have we refused him a move to Cheltenham ?

 

[The Pipe]

Bearing in mind this is MA at Cheltenham I have no doubt that the offer for Kev would have included us paying some of his wages!!

He is I beleive one of the highest earners in the club and I seem to recall that posters on here were demanding that we did virtually everything to keep him when his contract was last renewed so from his point of view he can sit and wait, knowing he will be paid his wages and wont have to up sticks and move to a different part of the country.

Whilst he is no longer a first choice that does not mean that he has no place to play in the rest of the season, I can see him playing wide right in place of Williams where he can be quite effective, with practise he may develop into a better midfield option than we have currently seen.

Bearing in mind the budget that AS has to work with will have included Kevs wages there is no need to send him packing anywhere, I would far rather that Kev does what he says and forces himself back into the team as this would be to the benefit of the club.

On an aside it does worry me that some see the clubs action in a negative light all the time without having full information to make that call, if Cheltenham had offered to take Kev on his wages for a nominal transfer then fine, that could be discussed and argued, however without knowing the full facts the criticism is sometimes uncalled for.

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

He's a useful squad member, but not worth what are presumably decent League One wages. If someone came in for him in Jan, I think we could let him go, but I wouldn't loan him out at the moment.

Even if he's a semi-regular in the first team, I'd be surprised if we offered him a new contract on anything like his current terms - no chance if we are still in Lge 2, and it's doubtful if he'd play much in Lge One

But he's done well for us over the years, and I think some of the abusive criticism here has been OTT

 

[NorthamptonBee]

KOC is the best of a bad bunch who might stand next to Marcus Bean. To send him out on loan at this time would be very silly.
Could we try Newton there?

 

[bees52 bomber]

I think some of you are missing the point big time, if a/s is not going to play him ship him out and gain something out of this shoddy situation .

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I think some of you are missing the point big time, if a/s is not going to play him ship him out and gain something out of this shoddy situation .

So ship him out and play Halls or Pead with Bean. Great idea.

 

[Jimbee]

As he did play last week and wore the armband in the second half, I reckon that AS values him a bit more than some people think.

 

[Claire]

As he did play last week and wore the armband in the second half, I reckon that AS values him a bit more than some people think.

If AS didn't value Kev at all then why give him the captains armband?

 

[jlove]

Haven't read the rest of the thread but have we refused him a move to Cheltenham ?

I think that someone on this thread has suggested that we offer him on loan to Cheltenham... the rest is just plain daft.

 

[GP200]

If AS didn't value Kev at all then why give him the captains armband?

....................did Adam give him the armband???....................

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

had a good game yesterday

 

[bees52 bomber]

Thats what i find amazing that he doent get a regular game ,or maybe A/S will now have a healthy prob of how to drop him after not putting a foot wrong at hav and wat?????

 

[EnglishBee]

Well I for one still believe Kevin is still up to it even if Andy Scott doesn't. It's great to read that article and I really hope that Kevin gives Scott no choice but to include him in the first eleven. The man is Mr Brentford and an exceptional player, not to mention his fierce loyalty to Brentford FC. He could have walked for a Championship level club on many occasions but instead stayed loyal to Brentford. In my opinion, the man is only 26 and there's still alot to come from Super Kev!

I agree with everything you say - a top post!

 

[kempy]

He did play well yesterday but it was only against non league opposition. Let's not get too carried away.

 

[Raybfc123]

Exactly...Granted he bit well yesterday, thats his level I believe.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I don't get it - KOC played very well in midfield last year, he spends 2 months on the sidelines this season, performs averagely against Rochdale (when most players had a mare) and is now suddenly only fit for the Ryman's league.

Dare I suggest that somebody who has performed pretty consistently for over 300 appearances deserves a bit more respect? I reckon he'd walk into most teams in Div 2 and a lot in Div 1.

 

[SQUELCH]

needs a run of games.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Exactly...Granted he bit well yesterday, thats his level I believe.

lol Don't be so utterly ridiculous.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

I don't get it - KOC played very well in midfield last year, he spends 2 months on the sidelines this season, performs averagely against Rochdale (when most players had a mare) and is now suddenly only fit for the Ryman's league.

Dare I suggest that somebody who has performed pretty consistently for over 300 appearances deserves a bit more respect? I reckon he'd walk into most teams in Div 2 and a lot in Div 1.

Absolutely. People have short memories I think. That said, it's up to him to win people over again and yesterday's performance will go some way towards that. A similar performance against Port Vale will go much further. I make no secret of the fact that I'm a huge KOC fan and I'd love to see him playing to the level we've seen him reach in the past and cement his place in the team.

 

[Claire]

I will join you in his fan club!

 

[nick logan]

I don't get it - KOC played very well in midfield last year, he spends 2 months on the sidelines this season, performs averagely against Rochdale (when most players had a mare) and is now suddenly only fit for the Ryman's league.

Dare I suggest that somebody who has performed pretty consistently for over 300 appearances deserves a bit more respect? I reckon he'd walk into most teams in Div 2 and a lot in Div 1.

:thetruth:

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I'm not in his fan club but he is as good as we have at the moment and I have always admired his loyalty.

 

[GP200]

......................a competant game yesterday...................

 

[Jimbee]

He did play well yesterday but it was only against non league opposition. Let's not get too carried away.

The other 10 players were playing against the same opposition too, yet because Kev is the one that stood out, it is put down to the fact they were non-League. As Les says, he deserves a bit more respect than he's getting at the moment.

The other thing is that AS has put him straight back in as captain, which tells me that there can't have been much wrong with his attitude whilst he wasn't being picked.

 

[wayfarer172]

I don't get it - KOC played very well in midfield last year, he spends 2 months on the sidelines this season, performs averagely against Rochdale (when most players had a mare) and is now suddenly only fit for the Ryman's league.

Dare I suggest that somebody who has performed pretty consistently for over 300 appearances deserves a bit more respect? I reckon he'd walk into most teams in Div 2 and a lot in Div 1.

Well said Les.
You dont get picked for almost 300 games if your crap.

 

[Shirley Bee]

......................a competant game yesterday...................

Unlike your spelling

He was much more than competent; at times he was the only player we had that looked at least two divisions better than the opposition.

 

[Ghost]

Unlike your spelling

He was much more than competent; at times he was the only player we had that looked at least two divisions better than the opposition.

That's a little unfair on Charlie MacDonald

 

[Mr Cynical]

I thought Kev did just what was needed yesterday. He was the only one to really get the ball down and pass it simply when everyone around him was ballooning the ball off the pitch. (was v surprised to read in Scott's notes that we actually intended to play 'like a non-league side' in the first half!! They certainly did what the gaffer asked for!)

He's never going to be the worlds greatest but he's comfortable on the ball, has good technique and does the simple things well. I have no problems with him being in the squad or the first team whatsoever..

 

[Mr Cynical]

....................did Adam give him the armband???....................

I think he's still club captain isn't he? So it makes sense him having the armband if Newton isn't playing..

 

[Shirley Bee]

That's a little unfair on Charlie MacDonald

You're right. My comment was a little sweeping. And Charlie always looks a class act.

I was getting a bit fed up with people damning KO'C with faint praise.

 

[kempy]

The other 10 players were playing against the same opposition too, yet because Kev is the one that stood out, it is put down to the fact they were non-League. As Les says, he deserves a bit more respect than he's getting at the moment.

The other thing is that AS has put him straight back in as captain, which tells me that there can't have been much wrong with his attitude whilst he wasn't being picked.

Never once have a questioned his attitude.