Kevin O'Connor

[super_bees]

Is it me or has he got a lot slower

 

[Downbeat Bee]

Never that fast.

He just did not look happy / comfortable yesterday which given recent events - personal and perhaps footballing as well should come as no surprise

I would not rush to pass judgments on just one game (though I realise you were just talking about pace)

 

[Nick Hester]

Never that fast.

He just did not look happy / comfortable yesterday which given recent events - personal and perhaps footballing as well should come as no surprise

I would not rush to pass judgments on just one game (though I realise you were just talking about pace)

He was awful yesterday agreed.

I actually want the Lad to do well, as I said in another thread he is a model Pro off the pitch, and a really nice Lad. The time he used to spend with my little boy at the training ground was a credit to him and dare I say to his late Mum who obviously brought him up so well.

I don't actually hold any grudges of him for what happened last season mainly because of the above reasons really.

The main culprits have already left and its a new start as far as I'm concerned this term.

I got into a slanging match with his Missus on here when she started slagging off us fans, but in hindsight I'd apologise for that and put it down to 'sticking up for her Hubbie' possibly not what he really needed but fair play to her for standing by her Man especially when he was going through his personal problems.
Didn't like what was said about fans not understanding what passion was about but hey, last year wasn't a pleasant time for either party so I'd just say 'lets move on..'

Probably needs to play in defence to get the best out of him.

Tragedy what happened to him in pre-season with his Mother, but his life and career needs to carry on as it would with anyone of us.

Hope he turns the corner and puts in performances like we saw he is capable of the season before last.

I don't think any Bee would begrudge him wherever he played his football be it with us now or whoever in the future..

 

[Ace Face]

I think if KOC performs as bad on Tues, then in fairness to him and the other players he needs to regroup out on loan and get his confidence back.

He has proved he can be a real assett for us before last season.

 

[Stanley]

Looked just short of match fitness, which is hardly surprising. Thought he did just OK rather than anything worse.

I was surprised to see him start but with Pead out, Smith presumably not 100% fit and with TB having to play 4-5-1 until Thorpe is back I guess he ran out of options.

He is also one of our taller players ( 5 foot 11 inches is tall in our team!) and good in the air which might have played a part in his selection.

Not sure where he will fit in when all are fit as I can't see him displacing the Polish guy and we seem to have a lot of midfield players.

 

[Ace Face]

Not sure where he will fit in when all are fit as I can't see him displacing the Polish guy and we seem to have a lot of midfield players.

If I was KOC I would be thinking the same.

 

[fencer/bee]

im sure kevs head is still all over the place, com on guys.. he is still a good player, and i dont think he needs these sort of threads at the mo..

 

[hanworthbee]

The Polish guy may have been quick but I will need to see him a good few more times to be convinced that O'Connor is a worse player

 

[super_bees]

im sure kevs head is still all over the place, com on guys.. he is still a good player, and i dont think he needs these sort of threads at the mo..

I always thought he was good player and I didnt start this thread to have a go I just thought he looked a bit slower...

 

[hasbeen]

We have a lot of midfield players who are small and poorly equipped for the physical challenge of this division. Take out two quality goals in the Mansfield game,the rest was mainly a physical scramble for the ball. In the months ahead we need at least two dominant performers throughout. The new captain has to take a leadership role, yesterday the role was taken on by a loanee who had only signed a day earlier. In midfield only Mousinho seems prepared to take responsibility upon himself as the others seem very lightweight when winning the ball is the basic consideration.

 

[West Ealing Bee]

Looked just short of match fitness, which is hardly surprising. Thought he did just OK rather than anything worse.

The pace of the game seemed to catch him out.

Given that he has probably played less than 10 per cent of his 350+ pro games in midfield and missed a vital part of the pre-season that isn't surprising.

It wasn;t obvious what role he was playing yesterday, a few times he came to get the bal off Pettigrew and Mackie, which is something I haven't seen a Brentford player do for five years, but his real asset in midfield could be arriving late in the box :shrug:

It seems clear he is no longer the first choice ritght back but I can see they want to get him in somewhere. I imagine the improvement of Mousinho has surprised everyone and there is real competition for places in there that wasn't obvious in June.

 

[Mads Bee]

To be honest, was suprised to see him start rather than Smith - hope he can recapture some of his sparkling form but dont think midfield is his best position, he started out as a striker, why don't we try him there again?

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

Think his lack of pace and sharpness was down to lack of match fitness (for obvious reasons). If he were fit and we were playing the same 11, I'd have swapped him and Mousinho in terms of their midfield roles, as a fit Kev would add more to attack - the "anchor man" role was probably all Kev was fit for on Saturday, and even that was a strain at times

 

[Mr Cynical]

Kev should be playing at RB, that's his best position, and would have freed up a loan for either midfield or attack, where we really need it..

 

[mhead bee]

with TB having to play 4-5-1 until Thorpe is back I guess he ran out of options.

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TB played 451 in all the pre season with thorpe. i thought it would be more obvious to play 442 in his absence to get some presence up front.

 

[Egham Andy]

It wasn;t obvious what role he was playing yesterday, a few times he came to get the bal off Pettigrew and Mackie, which is something I haven't seen a Brentford player do for five years, but his real asset in midfield could be arriving late in the box :shrug:

Kev's job was to sit in front of the back four and do not much more than break up the play, somewhat akin to what Makelele did for Chelsea before they decided to go 4-4-2. There were several times when we were attacking down the wing and instead of attacking the box Kev sat on the edge of the area which not only provides cover if we lose the ball and they counter but also provides support if the wide man/full back needs to come back square.

Imo I think he did this glamourless job incredibly well on Sat, especially considering he is not at match fitness for the obvious reasons. It is a position that will take a bit of getting used to as it requires a lot of discipline and resisting the urge to charge around the pitch like a normal centre mid, altho I think this will suit Kev as it was when he started doing this that he went missing from games lasty season.

 

[Ace Face]

Kev's job was to sit in front of the back four and do not much more than break up the play, somewhat akin to what Makelele did for Chelsea before they decided to go 4-4-2. There were several times when we were attacking down the wing and instead of attacking the box Kev sat on the edge of the area which not only provides cover if we lose the ball and they counter but also provides support if the wide man/full back needs to come back square.

Imo I think he did this glamourless job incredibly well on Sat, especially considering he is not at match fitness for the obvious reasons. It is a position that will take a bit of getting used to as it requires a lot of discipline and resisting the urge to charge around the pitch like a normal centre mid, altho I think this will suit Kev as it was when he started doing this that he went missing from games lasty season.

It`s all about opinions, but I thought he was painfully short of match fitness and sharpness. I also don`t think he is good enough to be in CM.

To be fair to Kevin, how is he going to get properly match fit/sharp if we haven`t got a reserve team. I would look at a loan move and give him some space from the pressure of BFC.

 

[Gee Bee]

To be fair to Kevin, how is he going to get properly match fit/sharp if we haven`t got a reserve team.

What level is he likely to get a loan move to though? I doubt he would want to drop out of league football at his age even if only on loan and surely we wouldn't loan him to another league 2 club and I doubt there would be takers above that.

We can however look to arrange some reserve friendlies, Thorpe and a few others also need a run out or 2.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

What level is he likely to get a loan move to though? I doubt he would want to drop out of league football at his age even if only on loan and surely we wouldn't loan him to another league 2 club and I doubt there would be takers above that.

We can however look to arrange some reserve friendlies, Thorpe and a few others also need a run out or 2.

A good point imho and, aside from Smith presumably not being fit enough for anything other than the bench on Saturday, I'd imagine Butcher took the view that the only way to get Kev back to full fitness was to throw him in at the deep end and hope he got through the 90 minutes. Ok, this was a risky option, but if Smith wasn't fit, who else could have played there ?

I thought Kev did ok, although his distribution was woeful at times, and I'm not convinced at all that Kev can adapt enough to playing in the centre of the park to be able to command a regular place there.

 

[Ace Face]

We can however look to arrange some reserve friendlies, Thorpe and a few others also need a run out or 2.

To be fair thats not a bad idea from a dodgy Essex Boy!

I did think though that maybe a change of scene and a break from BFC might help.

 

[Mr Cynical]

I did think though that maybe a change of scene and a break from BFC might help.

Yeh, I think we'd all benefit from that.. Where you gonna go???

 

[Ace Face]

Yeh, I think we'd all benefit from that.. Where you gonna go???

lol lol lol lol

 

[sussexbee88]

I think Kevin is showing the good player he used to be so far this season, now that frampton has gone.

I think he played well on saturday and will be 1 of the stars this year

 

[GP200]

.............far too early to tell...................

 

[NorthamptonBee]

It was a step in the right direction for Kev.

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

If you leave aside how much he's being paid, a fit and on-form O'Connor is a great asset. Before last season he'd seemed a good Lge One full-back (with possible Championship potential), who could also fill in as a midfielder, or even as a striker - though less effectively in those positions.

In Lge 2, if he can recapture form, he will be very useful to us - though his salary is perhaps nearly 50% more than we should be paying in this division.

If we don't sign another striker, he will probably get more games up front when Thorpe is injured or suspended - not an ideal target man, but we have no alternatives for that role.

 

[condorman]

i honestly didnt think he was that bad last season. admittedly he didnt play as well as he had done previously but beyond abbey / ide / richards he was probably one of our better performers - a regular 6/10 at worst.

his versatility will be an asset given our small squad given that he can play in pretty well every position on the pitch.

 

[robBEEh]

I was made up for him on Saturday & only gutted because his goal didnt turn out to be the winner.

To me Mansfield was the expected first step back for a bloke that had played very little footy at all over the pre-season (ie, a bit off the pace and lacking the required fitness) and Saturday was a great performance from him in a lone striker role. He used his head and as per his post-match quote just tried to bring others into the game.

I just hope he moves on again from that and becomes the player that Leeds allegedly courted. A definite sale-able asset at somewhere near his best

 

[SmiffyBee]

i honestly didnt think he was that bad last season. admittedly he didnt play as well as he had done previously but beyond abbey / ide / richards he was probably one of our better performers - a regular 6/10 at worst.

his versatility will be an asset given our small squad given that he can play in pretty well every position on the pitch.

come on condorman...

First rule of internet football fandom

Everyone is utterly crap or utterly brilliant....and nothing in between.

Last season every single person who worked or was employed by the club was a DISGRACE , except for Peter Gilham, Charlie Ide, Nathasn Abbey and Garry Richards, who were all BRILLIANT !

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Jo Kuffour?

 

[beeeehive]

Last season every single person who worked or was employed by the club was a DISGRACE , except for Peter Gilham, Charlie Ide, Nathasn Abbey and Garry Richards, who were all BRILLIANT !

Kuffour was pretty crap last season!

 

[GP200]

...........a tad harsh.......................

 

[SmiffyBee]

Jo Kuffour?

14 goals
43 games

DJ hit 8 in 6 games , just in one month :dj: :dj:

injured for at least two spells and suspended for 3 games at a crucial time


DISGRACE

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I realise you are trying to wind people up so I will tip toe through the tulips and see who you catch.

 

[condorman]

Jo Kuffour?

oh yeah. forgot him. sure you get my point though. i can name several players that were worse then kev. it's an easy to play game for all the family.....

 

[Bigbee]

My brains dead

Did Kev actually start or score many goals upfront( after THAT goal against Norwich) for the first team.I thought he was a junior with the nickname Shearer ,who actually never lived to being any where close.Who and why suggested was he tried as a rb?

 

[Simon C]

He started many games as a right back under Wally but drifted to right wing due to his lack of goals. He also had a few good games in centre midfield (Rangers at home springs to mind) but I don't think he got a fair crack of the whip there. Allen turned him into a good full back after sticking him there one game when we had an injury and he didn't look back until last year. I think he's potentially miles better than most we have so I'd like to see him primarily play as centre midfield where he influence games more. He's wasted at right back in this league

 

[Silvanus]

I think we all know what that celebration was about.

 

[brighton bee]

he was up front at bury away in coppells season. big ben burgess was sitting in the stands as he was suspended


losing that game cost us promotion :no: :no: :no:

 

[YorkshireBeeAng]

Looks like Ide really likes him

 

[wayfarer172]

I think we all know what that celebration was about.

Is Charlie withdrawing?

 

[GP200]

.........will he lose interest?????...........

 

[Ambrose_1889]

It's about time Kev was reinstated in the starting XI. He is Mr Brentford and has started in our two best performances of the season so far (Grimsby and Dagenham) with Pead in the middle alongside him. Scotty is treating him very badly.

SUPER, SUPER KEV, SUPER, SUPER KEV, SUPER, SUPER KEV, SUPER KEV O'CONNOR!

 

[ninebelowzero]

It's about time Kev was reinstated in the starting XI. He is Mr Brentford and has started in our two best performances of the season so far (Grimsby and Dagenham) with Pead in the middle alongside him. Scotty is treating him very badly.

SUPER, SUPER KEV, SUPER, SUPER KEV, SUPER, SUPER KEV, SUPER KEV O'CONNOR!

well said that man

 

[Ghost]

It's about time Kev was reinstated in the starting XI. He is Mr Brentford and has started in our two best performances of the season so far (Grimsby and Dagenham) with Pead in the middle alongside him. Scotty is treating him very badly.

SUPER, SUPER KEV, SUPER, SUPER KEV, SUPER, SUPER KEV, SUPER KEV O'CONNOR!

Did he start??

 

[Ambrose_1889]

Sorry, you're right he didn't. He also put in a good display at Barnet though I felt. And did well on the right wing against Yeovil. He's done nothing wrong except for a sending off.

 

[maddogging]

Did he start??

did he start lol he didn't finish rofl

 

[sabigai]

It's about time Kev was reinstated in the starting XI. He is Mr Brentford and has started in our two best performances of the season so far (Grimsby and Dagenham) with Pead in the middle alongside him. Scotty is treating him very badly.

SUPER, SUPER KEV, SUPER, SUPER KEV, SUPER, SUPER KEV, SUPER KEV O'CONNOR!

I agree, in place of Bean cos his rubbish

 

[Holysmit]

O'Connor should be playing on the right wing.

As Williams is all huff and puff, but has what one assit, and one goal in the LDV (which Kev has matched). Williams has no end product and should not be in team IMO.

 

[Ghost]

Have to disagree there mate, Williams' pace is an asset we cannot do without. Kev on the right wing....maybe in his younger days but can't see it now.