Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

[Delbee]

Watching the coverage I am certain I heard Flekken call for the ball which resulted in Collins jumping out of the way.

If so it was not a good call.

 

[BaildonBee]

Anderson should of been taken out how can we let a defender run that far with the ball.

In real time I thought Collins was about to wipe Anderson out and concede a penalty. That is why I think he changed his mind and left Flekken standing. Split second decisions and a freak outcome unfortunately.

 

[Hippobee]

............yep,it would of................

...of that, their is no doubt....

 

[detours]

I think if Mee is the defender rushing in rather than Collins, he's kicking it out regardless of whether the keeper calls for it or not.

Flekken is at fault for calling, Collins at fault for not taking charge and getting rid in the chaos of the moment.

A mix up by two players who look like exceptional acquisitions. Hats off to the recruitment team who struggled to replace Raya last season – but with a bit of breathing space have come up with another gem.

Keepers seem to go on forever, here's hoping he's our first choice for a long long time.

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

Some great saves yesterday. I completely wrote him off after half a friendly in Disneyland that I was only half watching on my phone but admit I got it wrong. He’s great.

 

[Bumbling fool]

IMO Collins should have wiped the lot out. If that includes his own keeper then so be it.

Big risk with balcombe on the bench...

 

[johndub]

An excellent display from him yesterday, apart from his part in conceding the goal.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Big risk with balcombe on the bench...

You don’t decide one a reaction decision not to jump in because we have a B team keeper on the bench.

A risk yes but he should of wiped the lot out.

 

[Bumbling fool]

You don’t decide one a reaction decision not to jump in because we have a B team keeper on the bench.

A risk yes but he should of wiped the lot out.

Wasn't seriously suggesting it should have factored into his split second decision making haha

 

[magicbees]

Goal was a bit crap (not all his fault) but he made a couple of superb saves. He’s good

Agreed of the goal, if he called then I would say they are both to blame. As a kid you are taught to kick the ball out if in doubt.

 

[badgerbee]

Shot was through Mee's legs, but maybe could have done better for first?
Beaten at near post.....

 

[Brentford77]

Shot was through Mee's legs, but maybe could have done better for first?
Beaten at near post.....

Not a hope. 8 or 9 yards out. No idea whether it's going left or right. Nothing at all he could have done about that

 

[North London Bee]

Good with his feet, organises well, hated the flappy punch just before the interval.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Good with his feet, organises well, hated the flappy punch just before the interval.

This. Don’t punch a ball that has no pace on it. Difficult to time but easy to catch. Looks very good, otherwise.

 

[mundee4england]

He’s distribution is insanely good. A couple of flat long passes to the flanks were outrageously accurate!

Poor punch though, although I think he thought it might be a pass back and somehow thought punching may be better than catching! ?

 

[Mr Cynical]

A couple of balls out to Mbeumo that landed plum on his chest, easy for him to control. Outstanding

 

[coconino]

Did OK aside from a couple of long balls which went straight into touch, and the dodgy punch.

 

[detours]

Punch was embarrassing, but you just know the coaching team will be clipping that one up for him to watch back – it was a catch all day – at least he made the save immediately after.

Other than that, excellent.

 

[whyteleafebee76]

Flappy punch aside he had a good game, we've definitely recruited well with him.

 

[Hippobee]

This. Don’t punch a ball that has no pace on it. Difficult to time but easy to catch. Looks very good, otherwise.

Almost all modern goalkeepers do this, which I hate.

It's one thing that Raya was good at - almost always claiming a contested ball with a catch. No excuse not to, especially in the modern game. You should be able to outjump any other player and if you do get knocked over, the ref will almost certainly give a foul on the keeper's behalf.

 

[teesbee]

V good save from Ben Mee header.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Almost all modern goalkeepers do this, which I hate.

It's one thing that Raya was good at - almost always claiming a contested ball with a catch. No excuse not to, especially in the modern game. You should be able to outjump any other player and if you do get knocked over, the ref will almost certainly give a foul on the keeper's behalf.

Yes. Also, much easier to catch these days, with the almost adhesive gloves they use. We know why they do it, of course. It’s a percentage thing: better to get the ball out of the immediate danger zone rather than risk dropping it? But that does’t really square with the current risk-on approach to playing out from the back, imo. Besides, as I suggested before, it’s probably riskier to punch a ball with no pace on than catch it. A bit like how it’s easier to hit a pace bowler through midwicket than a spinner.

 

[EarleyBee]

Almost all modern goalkeepers do this, which I hate.

It's one thing that Raya was good at - almost always claiming a contested ball with a catch. No excuse not to, especially in the modern game. You should be able to outjump any other player and if you do get knocked over, the ref will almost certainly give a foul on the keeper's behalf.

I'm fairly sure Raya was criticised for punching when he could have caught, when he first arrived.

 

[jlove]

I'm fairly sure Raya was criticised for punching when he could have caught, when he first arrived.

I think that's the most exciting thing about Flekken – that, with our coaching, he's got improving to do. He's not too bad already!

 

[Beelated]

A fascinating article on the OS analysing Flekken’s performance against Bournemouth at the weekend.

Flekken’s passing range on full display during Brentford’s draw with Bournemouth

The deepest of deep-lying playmakers, goalkeeper Mark Flekken’s pinpoint distribution has quickly become a key component in Brentford’s ability to build attacks; no player in the Premier League has completed more accurate long balls so far this season (40), while Flekken has only misplaced one...

www.brentfordfc.com

 

[BlueJayBee]

A fascinating article on the OS analysing Flekken’s performance against Bournemouth at the weekend.

Flekken’s passing range on full display during Brentford’s draw with Bournemouth

The deepest of deep-lying playmakers, goalkeeper Mark Flekken’s pinpoint distribution has quickly become a key component in Brentford’s ability to build attacks; no player in the Premier League has completed more accurate long balls so far this season (40), while Flekken has only misplaced one...

www.brentfordfc.com

Wasn't there another keeper, last season, who had similar stats? I forget who though.....

 

[Beelated]

Wasn't there another keeper, last season, who had similar stats? I forget who though.....

Yes, he was pretty good, too, but I think the recruiting team have found another gem and, so far, he’s slotted into the team without too much disruption.

 

[LingfieldBee]

Raya who?

 

[BuzzingBee95]

It's funny, seeing some of the analytical opinions on Flekken taking his time to pass and play out. Perhaps I'm too cynical and don't give tactics enough credit or romanticism. But seeing as it often gets attributed to Pep. I reckon this is what happened:

Ederson (internal thought whilst watching City decimate______) : I'm f**king bored. Next time I'm gonna get the ball I'm gonna have a kick about, flex my muscles for once.

Does exactly that, puts in the Prem GK group chat: Fellas, did you seem me lay on that sweet assist, what do you think that wally Neville will make of it.

Later that day, on an Sky sports exclusive, Neville: It's genius. It's the future of football, Pep continues to reinvent the game. I think this will now be expected of all top keepers....

Sorry, being silly. But sometimes I do wonder whether it's really as involved as we like to think or whether it's them having a bit of fun.

 

[Stanley]

It's funny, seeing some of the analytical opinions on Flekken taking his time to pass and play out. Perhaps I'm too cynical and don't give tactics enough credit or romanticism. But seeing as it often gets attributed to Pep. I reckon this is what happened:

Ederson (internal thought whilst watching City decimate______) : I'm f**king bored. Next time I'm gonna get the ball I'm gonna have a kick about, flex my muscles for once.

Does exactly that, puts in the Prem GK group chat: Fellas, did you seem me lay on that sweet assist, what do you think that wally Neville will make of it.

Later that day, on an Sky sports exclusive, Neville: It's genius. It's the future of football, Pep continues to reinvent the game. I think this will now be expected of all top keepers....

Sorry, being silly. But sometimes I do wonder whether it's really as involved as we like to think or whether it's them having a bit of fun.

I don't think there are many of our passages of play that aren't thought through, planned for and trained on extensively. As Jensen said last year everyone knows where they have to be and do on any part of the pitch at any time.

 

[BlueJayBee]

We really do have some idiots supporting us. Quote from the "Fans View" on the BBC website:

Peter: Yet more points thrown away at home because our defence is unbalanced and the goalkeeper is not up to the Premier League. Also we need someone to put their foot on the ball and get the forwards not to rush around like headless chickens.

 

[Beefuddled]

We really do have some idiots supporting us. Quote from the "Fans View" on the BBC website:

Peter: Yet more points thrown away at home because our defence is unbalanced and the goalkeeper is not up to the Premier League. Also we need someone to put their foot on the ball and get the forwards not to rush around like headless chickens.

Totally agree BJB. We have no idea if they were actually a Bees fan. The BBC, on random occasions, simply asks for 'fans comments' and publishes them with no idea as to who they are, how much they know, or whether they are even genuine supporters. Extremely naiive of the BBC and aggravating for the many of us who have a more balanced view. It is a totally pointless concept and, hate to suggest it, but would be a great place for any trolls or subversives for the dissing of other teams.

 

[Untouchable]

We really do have some idiots supporting us. Quote from the "Fans View" on the BBC website:

Peter: Yet more points thrown away at home because our defence is unbalanced and the goalkeeper is not up to the Premier League. Also we need someone to put their foot on the ball and get the forwards not to rush around like headless chickens.

Congratulations to Peter who has shown himself up as a clueless fukking idiot.

 

[JohnOmarasShorts]

Congratulations to Peter who has shown himself up as a clueless fukking idiot.

I'm not sure he's that bright.?

 

[chris_bees7]

 

[Jay Bee]

Also played 90 minutes against Ireland today in a 2-1 win. Did anyone peak behind the paywall and watch?

 

[Banana]

Another clean sheet for that useless fecker Flekken

 

[Wooburn Bee]

Another clean sheet for that useless fecker Flekken

Wasn’t it 2 1 ?

 

[Bigruss]

Another clean sheet for that useless fecker Flekken

How did he manage that in a 2-1 win?

 

[Banana]

Wasn’t it 2 1 ?

 

[Bigruss]

Wrong keeper

 

[gamidov]

How did he manage that in a 2-1 win?

Could have been subbed off at 2-0.

 

[Banana]

Wrong keeper

Ah, good point ?

 

[Bigruss]

Could have been subbed off at 2-0.

Could have if Ireland hadn’t gone 1-0 up.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Ireland scored from a penalty. Flekken and his defenders f***ed up passing out from the back and conceded a corner. Penalty conceded from the resulting corner.

 

[TOXIC BEE]

Also played 90 minutes against Ireland today in a 2-1 win. Did anyone peak behind the paywall and watch?

Bit of a strange performance from Flekken, he looked surprisingly shaky with the ball at his feet tonight, completely different to his performances with us, which brought a lot of criticism from the Dutch on social media, although he wasn’t helped at all by his back line. Ireland’s only shot on target was the pen so nothing really to report back on saves.

 

[bajenleker]

Bit of a strange performance from Flekken, he looked surprisingly shaky with the ball at his feet tonight, completely different to his performances with us, which brought a lot of criticism from the Dutch on social media, although he wasn’t helped at all by his back line. Ireland’s only shot on target was the pen so nothing really to report back on saves.

Add that odd punch instead of catching the ball with no Irish near…

 

[Nickabee]

I was at the match in Dublin last night and he seemed to loose confidence after the error which looked to be more the defender de Jong than him. Swiftly followed by the highly overrated Van Dyke giving a penalty away . He was a bit flakey after then , not displaying his great distribution we have seen. The Dutch team were in the most not the quality one would usually expect in Orange and an Irish team made up mainly of players from second tier football could of embarrassed them if it was for their poor finishing especially Ogbene. Who was a player I predicted would be a star after first coming on as a sub for the Bees some years ago. He has great pace , can’t shoot and has the football brain of a cabbage

 

[Poolieboydave]

Dutch press seem to have given him a hard time, critising his short passes and playing his team mates into danger.

I’d told a Dutch friend that Flekken had been a little shaky pre season but has looked very good since the season had started. He confirmed it was the US version of Flekken that played this week.

Think he’s also annoyed some by being cocky in media interviews that he should be #1. Nothing wrong with that in my view but isn’t always the Dutch way to be boastful.

 

[Untouchable]

the highly overrated Van Dyke

IMHO he’s doing very well for 97.