Mark Warburton

[thenightfly]

I think the only downside was reading this:

“I’m a Spurs fan. I’ve enormous respect for Tim Sherwood, Chris Ramsey and (Academy manager) John McDermott. I like Tim’s passion. This is where you need your chairman (Levy) to come out and say ‘I don’t mind a bit of passion in the dugout’. I’m quiet in the dugout but I love that side of it with Tim.

I also read in the Independent piece of late, that MB read some of the GP postings to the team re last seasons near-miss...

 

[Les Beeavinu]

The article re-iterates what he was saying on the Footballer's Football show recently.

Only thing I'm uncomfortable with is the feeder club idea - he cites Swindon and their relationship with Tottenham as a a positive step. I'm not so sure - I can't quite get my head around how a feeder club can grow when their best players are possibly taken away should they progress. I think of Adam Forshaw and Jake Bidwell - if we were an Everton feeder club does that mean that we would never have bought them and is the idea that now they would be back at their parent club because they have progressed so well? How does that benefit Brentford in the long run?

 

[ade211]

Great insights from article into Warburton's thinking. A must for us supporters to read and reflect on.

Two pints I would like to add are, there is growing evidence that young players burn out so never make the transition to the ranks of professional footballers . This also happens in other sports and music where from a young age the child is hot housed. Several psychologists have suggested that the youngster should do more than one sport or learn one instrument. So the football academy should encourage its players to train at, say, basketball or golf. This helps against burn out.

My second point is I thought Warburton was right about how players are pampered, lacking basic respect and social skills. Hard to do but his vignette about Barca was so illuminating. As was his guided tour around the city.

He increasingly strikes me as an excellent analyser of the game. We are so lucky to have him. His back room staff are also excellent. My worry is he will be poached by another club. Sounds familiar. The reason being we have a club fit for purpose playing in the 21 century an awful lot of clubs are still locked in the 1990's or earlier.

The club's owner has a vision. He has assembled a management team and a squad that are the future. Lastly he has put into place the organisation infra structure necessary for long term success.

 

[hanworthbee]

The article re-iterates what he was saying on the Footballer's Football show recently.

Only thing I'm uncomfortable with is the feeder club idea - he cites Swindon and their relationship with Tottenham as a a positive step. I'm not so sure - I can't quite get my head around how a feeder club can grow when their best players are possibly taken away should they progress. I think of Adam Forshaw and Jake Bidwell - if we were an Everton feeder club does that mean that we would never have bought them and is the idea that now they would be back at their parent club because they have progressed so well? How does that benefit Brentford in the long run?

tbh forshaw won't be a Brentford player for much longer anyway imo.....excellent article from Henry winter anyhow.wonder how many millions mark has in the bank

 

[Cbee]

I think this article goes to show that we are extremely lucky to have Mark Warbuton at Brentford FC. Onwards and upwards.

 

[kevalutonbee]

I think this goes to show that we are extremely luck to have Mark Warbuton at Brentford FC. Onwards and upwards.

Possibly highlights how he was able to turn down West Brom as based on the comments about his house etc it seems financially he is doing okay thank you very much and therefore money is not the overriding factor

 

[Kingston Bee]

Excellent article and Warbs is clearly a bright individual. We are lucky to have him and appears to be streets ahead in his thinking concerning the development of young players. Unfortunately the FA are years behind but of course we know that already, and the lack of development for english players is now having (has had for several years now) a serious impact on the national team. The thing I like about Mark is that its not about money for him, he clearly has a passion for what he is doing. He has a great relationship with Benham which can only be good for BFC, and I think a number of bigger clubs have still not woken up to what is happening at our club. This is truly a golden period for BFC.

 

[south coast bees]

Great insights from article into Warburton's thinking. A must for us supporters to read and reflect on.

Two pints I would like to add are, there is growing evidence that young players burn out so never make the transition to the ranks of professional footballers . This also happens in other sports and music where from a young age the child is hot housed. Several psychologists have suggested that the youngster should do more than one sport or learn one instrument. So the football academy should encourage its players to train at, say, basketball or golf. This helps against burn out.

My second point is I thought Warburton was right about how players are pampered, lacking basic respect and social skills. Hard to do but his vignette about Barca was so illuminating. As was his guided tour around the city.

He increasingly strikes me as an excellent analyser of the game. We are so lucky to have him. His back room staff are also excellent. My worry is he will be poached by another club. Sounds familiar. The reason being we have a club fit for purpose playing in the 21 century an awful lot of clubs are still locked in the 1990's or earlier.

The club's owner has a vision. He has assembled a management team and a squad that are the future. Lastly he has put into place the organisation infra structure necessary for long term success.

Excellent post and so true.

 

[Glenisterbee]

That was a really interesting article and I am now even more aware of how priveliged we are to have Matthew Benham and Mark Warburton at the club amongst others. The bit about under 19s having their seats warmed made me smile. I think you gain an awful lot in life from adversity and it certainly helps you treasure the good times. Back in the eighties the apprentices swept the terraces, cleaned boots and cleaned the dressing rooms after games. I was there for a year on a YTS course just helping the groundstaff and i could never believe the state of the away dressing room after a league game. It looked like a bomb had gone off, plasters and tape everywhere, towels slung on the floor, it looked like a burglary had taken place. I wonder if it is the same now? When Jamie Bates then turned professional, he had had that grounding. When you then hear that the Barca players are bought up in the traditions of total respect and that they are on time and carry the kit, surely that is how it should be. One of the joys of supporting the bees and taking sons along is that if you wanted to you could grab a photo and an autograph afterwards and i hope that never changes. Mark Warburton is also very approachable and three of us had a conversation with him at Carlisle station. What a top man. I met Matthew Benham at Sheffield station last year before the battle of Brammall Lane and he again is a very down to earth man, happy to chat and boy are we lucky he is a bees fan. It must be thrilling for MB that all the infrastructure that has been put in place is showing signs of bearing fruit. There must be an awful lot of envious clubs casting glances our way and long may that continue.

 

[eaglebee]

A fantastic article, and a good advert for our club, you can feel Mark’s passion for the game and his outlook for a youth policy and the loan system, above all, I become more and more convinced that he will take us a lot further, he also sounds like a man who wants to complete his mission here at BFC first, our only problem could be, just like Uwe, that he is now obviously a watched man by other clubs who are dissatisfied with their manager, our one saving grace is that he admits he has made his money in his previous job, therefore the lure of large amounts of money might have no effect on him whatsoever.

Looking around football in general, we are so lucky to have him here, and I think our players realize that, they all look happy and are prepared to play as part of a team, just look at the reaction of every Bees player and staff involved in the Orient game, that spoke volumes for me.

 

[nick logan]

One of lifes winners, made his money then did something he enjoys. We are very lucky to have him. In truth there can be few better run football clubs and its only getting better.

Mr Benham is taking us on a journey and we are very fortunate to be on board.

COYR

 

[Mr Tree]

The article re-iterates what he was saying on the Footballer's Football show recently.

Only thing I'm uncomfortable with is the feeder club idea - he cites Swindon and their relationship with Tottenham as a a positive step. I'm not so sure - I can't quite get my head around how a feeder club can grow when their best players are possibly taken away should they progress. I think of Adam Forshaw and Jake Bidwell - if we were an Everton feeder club does that mean that we would never have bought them and is the idea that now they would be back at their parent club because they have progressed so well? How does that benefit Brentford in the long run?

feeder club is a term that evokes a strong reaction, naturally. but if you can strike up a short-term relationship with a bigger better club, it can help to elevate your club, and then you can outgrow the relationship and stand alone. it doesn't necessarily have to be that you are forever subservient to the parent club.

 

[SQUELCH]

Really interesting article... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-City-boy-Mark-Warburton-strikes-it-rich.html

Top read that - you can feel the passion!

 

[BURFORD BEE]

I think the only downside was reading this:

“I’m a Spurs fan. I’ve enormous respect for Tim Sherwood, Chris Ramsey and (Academy manager) John McDermott. I like Tim’s passion. This is where you need your chairman (Levy) to come out and say ‘I don’t mind a bit of passion in the dugout’. I’m quiet in the dugout but I love that side of it with Tim.

I also read in the Independent piece of late, that MB read some of the GP postings to the team re last seasons near-miss...

Why is that a "downside" ?
Why do we expect our manager and players ( I remember the comments about Sam Saunders when he sais something similar) not to be fans of other teams. We all grew up supporting sides. I support Brentford, if in the unimaginable circumstance that I had played for Spurs would that have made me stop supporting Brentford?
Did Drogba not try as hard as he could on Tuesday because he loves Chelsea?

 

[Bordeaux Bee]

A really thoughtful interview by a writer I admire in Henry Winter. Make no mistake, Brentford is in excellent hands currently under Benham/Warburton, an ice age away from the Webb/Noades 'Loadsamoney' era!

 

[Kingston Bee]

Why is that a "downside" ?
Why do we expect our manager and players ( I remember the comments about Sam Saunders when he sais something similar) not to be fans of other teams. We all grew up supporting sides. I support Brentford, if in the unimaginable circumstance that I had played for Spurs would that have made me stop supporting Brentford?
Did Drogba not try as hard as he could on Tuesday because he loves Chelsea?

Exactly, its about being professional. If he supported Spurs as a boy then in the eyes of some on here if he wanted a job in football it could only be with Spurs and no one else? Unbelievable some of the rubbish on here...

 

[Brentford_till_die]

One of lifes winners, made his money then did something he enjoys. We are very lucky to have him. In truth there can be few better run football clubs and its only getting better.

Mr Benham is taking us on a journey and we are very fortunate to be on board.

COYR

 

[nick logan]

A really thoughtful interview by a writer I admire in Henry Winter. Make no mistake, Brentford is in excellent hands currently under Benham/Warburton, an ice age away from the Webb/Noades 'Loadsamoney' era!

Agree with the Winter bit, not everyones cup of tea but i could read his stuff all day.

 

[Matty D]

Why is that a "downside" ?
Why do we expect our manager and players ( I remember the comments about Sam Saunders when he sais something similar) not to be fans of other teams. We all grew up supporting sides. I support Brentford, if in the unimaginable circumstance that I had played for Spurs would that have made me stop supporting Brentford?
Did Drogba not try as hard as he could on Tuesday because he loves Chelsea?

I don't think they meant supporting Spurs was a downside, more having respect for Sherwood as a manager. Although Warbs does then say that personally he's much more restrained in the dugout.

 

[Ealing Bee]

Two pints I would like to add are, there is growing evidence that young players burn out so never make the transition to the ranks of professional footballers . This also happens in other sports and music where from a young age the child is hot housed. Several psychologists have suggested that the youngster should do more than one sport or learn one instrument. So the football academy should encourage its players to train at, say, basketball or golf. This helps against burn out.

If youngsters are playing too much football and so are at risk of "burn-out", then surely the answer is to cut back on their football and require them to pursue Education or Vocational Qualifications in the time saved, not play another sport?
For whether due to burn-out, or mere force of numbers, the vast majority of young kids will not make it through to f-t professional football either way, so will need something to fall back on.
And there is obviously much less chance of them deciding they actually prefer golf or basketball, thereby reducing the risk that those who don't burn out will be lost to football that way.

My second point is I thought Warburton was right about how players are pampered, lacking basic respect and social skills. Hard to do but his vignette about Barca was so illuminating.

I remember reading someone relate how he once watched Newcastle United's Youth Team arrive at a stadium for an away game. All these kids strolled down from their luxury bus, all headphones, big watches and I-Pads etc, completely oblivious to what was going on round them.
Meanwhile, one of their Coaches got off, went round the back off the bus, and struggled to lug a huge Kit Box out of the boot. None of the players even noticed, never mind offered to help. The Coach was Peter Beardsley...

He increasingly strikes me as an excellent analyser of the game. We are so lucky to have him. His back room staff are also excellent. My worry is he will be poached by another club. Sounds familiar. The reason being we have a club fit for purpose playing in the 21 century an awful lot of clubs are still locked in the 1990's or earlier.

Until we are "The Barcelona of the Premier League"(!), we will always suffer key personnel being poached by bigger clubs, whether it be players, coaches, managers or executives etc.
But I've no doubt our Owner is well aware of that, and is continually conducting a programme of Succession Planning to deal with this.
And the crucial thing is, not even Barcelona themselves are able to poach Mr. Benham!

 

[zuko]

The article re-iterates what he was saying on the Footballer's Football show recently.

Only thing I'm uncomfortable with is the feeder club idea - he cites Swindon and their relationship with Tottenham as a a positive step. I'm not so sure - I can't quite get my head around how a feeder club can grow when their best players are possibly taken away should they progress. I think of Adam Forshaw and Jake Bidwell - if we were an Everton feeder club does that mean that we would never have bought them and is the idea that now they would be back at their parent club because they have progressed so well? How does that benefit Brentford in the long run?

I think this is the key thing though in his Swindon/Spurs example:

Why can’t you have a system where 10 players go permanently to a club for nominal fee, say £25,000, but Spurs have a buy-back at say £250,000 if they flourish

I agree with you in general though, although we have 3 loanees in the starting 11, our identity still feels 'Brentford'. They have all been selected to complement our team on indvidual merit, rather than because our (hypothetical) parent club has a new batch of recruits to train up.

 

[jlove]

Aren't Swindon and Everton our feeder clubs?

 

[North London Bee]

They almost don't feel like loanees as they all fit in, add enormous value, fight for the cause and all might well become permanent signings.

 

[Bigbee]

Aren't Swindon and Everton our feeder clubs?

young' uns from Everton and oldies from Swindon

 

[Letchbee]

What a man is MW, so progressive in his attitude to football. If it wasn't for the 1960's thinking of the F A , I could see him as the England manager one day.

 

[SmiffyBee]

tbh forshaw won't be a Brentford player for much longer anyway imo.....excellent article from Henry winter anyhow.wonder how many millions mark has in the bank

If we go up, he'll stay for another season.

 

[sonofabee]

If we go up, he'll stay for another season.

Unless we struggle - I suspect if we get up we'll rely on home form to get to 14-16 place in first season.

 

[GuyBee]

Two pints I would like to add are, there is growing evidence that young players burn out so never make the transition to the ranks of professional footballers . This also happens in other sports and music where from a young age the child is hot housed. Several psychologists have suggested that the youngster should do more than one sport or learn one instrument. So the football academy should encourage its players to train at, say, basketball or golf. This helps against burn out.

The FA themselves recommend young players (under 11) play different sports, not just psychologically, but because it will improve their ABCs(Agility Balance Coordination Speed) in a broader manner. This is what they teach on the Youth Module. Its not what they encourage through the Acadamy and EPP processes

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

If youngsters are playing too much football and so are at risk of "burn-out", then surely the answer is to cut back on their football and require them to pursue Education or Vocational Qualifications in the time saved, not play another sport?
For whether due to burn-out, or mere force of numbers, the vast majority of young kids will not make it through to f-t professional football either way, so will need something to fall back on.
And there is obviously much less chance of them deciding they actually prefer golf or basketball, thereby reducing the risk that those who don't burn out will be lost to football that way.

I remember reading someone relate how he once watched Newcastle United's Youth Team arrive at a stadium for an away game. All these kids strolled down from their luxury bus, all headphones, big watches and I-Pads etc, completely oblivious to what was going on round them.
Meanwhile, one of their Coaches got off, went round the back off the bus, and struggled to lug a huge Kit Box out of the boot. None of the players even noticed, never mind offered to help. The Coach was Peter Beardsley...


Until we are "The Barcelona of the Premier League"(!), we will always suffer key personnel being poached by bigger clubs, whether it be players, coaches, managers or executives etc.
But I've no doubt our Owner is well aware of that, and is continually conducting a programme of Succession Planning to deal with this.
And the crucial thing is, not even Barcelona themselves are able to poach Mr. Benham!

Two things about young players:

(1) They need to practice - a lot. Both David Beckham and Frank Lampard have spoken at some length about just how long they spent on the training ground perfecting their skills, both working long after the rest had gone home. There is plenty of evidence (in quite a few sports) that those most likely to succeed are those that work hardest to develop their skills. It may be that youngsters play too much football, ie in competitive games, but spend too little time honing their technical skills. Most of our promising young players have raw talent but look clumsy compared to their European or South American counterparts. I am convinced that this is due to lack of focus on technical skill.

(2) Pampering can easily become counter-productive. You want players who are self-reliant, resilient and who can make decisions for themselves under pressure in a real game. When you're 0-1 down away to some rough and tough Northern outfit on a Tuesday night in January, who are more likely to pick the game up by the scruff of the neck: the soft, pampered elite or the warriors who have had to fight their way through? As for heated seats on the bench, don't get me started! I think I'd prefer players to be itching to get on the pitch and show what they can do, not sitting in a comfortable ball in a pleasant daydream.......

On my travels I've seen youth matches going on in countries like Holland. And I can tell you it's light years away from what we see in England!

 

[King John]

I like Mark's trading background and unlike Rosler( he doesn't sit on a lead). He is fearless and instills his great philosophy into them. He is the best thing that has happened to us for years- great work Mark and thanks! Carpe Diem!

 

[ade211]

This is a great piece of research on young footballers. Well worth a read.

http://investing.thisismoney.co.uk/portfolio/view/id/5430482

Also the 10,000 rule is being questioned as it is not fully understand by coaches of young professionals. See
.
http://changingthegameproject.com/the-10000-hour-myth/

Clearly the development of young talent is hard. Knowing what we do about Warburton he knows all this and with his coaches is applying best practice to our set up.

As for the behaviour and respect of young professionals that is hard. One thing about being young is to develop your own style. I hope that the more thoughtful aspiring young professionals could demonstrate respect and, what is considered to be as good manners. Young professionals have so much support from their clubs they are in danger of never developing their own support skills. In the jargon modern coaches should empower their charges and not like in the past command them. They need to build up the self esteem of the youngsters to the point that they fell able to make their own decisions on the pitch without always waiting to be directed. Rosler always struck me as a director, a micro manager whereas Warburton is more of a facilitator.

 

[teesbee]

Agree with the Winter bit, not everyones cup of tea but i could read his stuff all day.

And shows that :warbs: has plenty to say beyond 'we're taking it one game at a time' if you ask him the right question.

Not sure about him saying that he doesn't have passion in the dugout though, his cover's blown after Orient. You'd have thought he'd just won the FA Cup or something.

 

[King John]

If we go up, he'll stay for another season.

Nobody is irreplacable except Alan McCormack!

 

[SH]

Thank goodness Wolves' Kenny Jackett has been named League One Manager of the Month. Hopefully the curse will now get him and :warbs: gets the one that matters.

In congratulating him, Sky Sports' pundit Don Goodman (ex-Wolves) also said: "it gives me great pleasure that they look certain to be celebrating automatic promotion soon". So hopefully a touch of hubris and nemesis in store there too....

 

[bees66]

Thank goodness Wolves' Kenny Jackett has been named League One Manager of the Month. Hopefully the curse will now get him and :warbs: gets the one that matters.

In congratulating him, Sky Sports' pundit Don Goodman (ex-Wolves) also said: "it gives me great pleasure that they look certain to be celebrating automatic promotion soon". So hopefully a touch of hubris and nemesis in store there too....

Rotherham Steve Evans deserved it more than him..

 

[sonofabee]

Rotherham Steve Evans deserved it more than him..

Steve Evans deserves nothing, he's a fat, cheating, bully and is everything about football that is wrong so happy anyone else won it.
No problem with The Millers but they deserve better than him, he'll leave under a cloud before too long

 

[hairman]

Steve Evans deserves nothing, he's a fat, cheating, bully and is everything about football that is wrong so happy anyone else won it.
No problem with The Millers but they deserve better than him, he'll leave under a cloud before too long

Perhaps bee66 meant he deserved the curse more than KJ. I'm sure you'd agree on that.

 

[sonofabee]

Perhaps bee66 meant he deserved the curse more than KJ. I'm sure you'd agree on that.

Of course, hopefully he'll be awarded a posthumous Burger King loyalty card after he suffers a fatal coronary whole bawling at the 4th official.

 

[bees66]

Steve Evans deserves nothing, he's a fat, cheating, bully and is everything about football that is wrong so happy anyone else won it.
No problem with The Millers but they deserve better than him, he'll leave under a cloud before too long

lol the curse..

 

[Newport Pagnell Bee]

Just watched Warb's performance on Late Kick Off. What a great advert for the club. Intelligent &, articulate. A very impressive individual.

 

[RT]

Although at one point he was speaking about what players we needed when promoted. He does realise this is Brentford yeah?

 

[GEOFFBEE]

I have to say he seems to be coping with the pressure really well.
Many Managers get tetchy at this stage of a promotion campaign.
Tonight, and the following 5 games, (if we do not need the play offs!) will be a real test , though.

 

[absenteebee]

I have to say he seems to be coping with the pressure really well.
Many Managers get tetchy at this stage of a promotion campaign.
Tonight, and the following 5 games, (if we do not need the play offs!) will be a real test , though.

this is where his background can help. No doubt he faced (and sent packing) extreme pressure in The City so he can cope with a few games of football.

 

[lishabee]

Struck me that his focus is solely on the Bees and his words to the players were to 'relish the challenge' . He keeps using these words relish and embrace and I guess that is the right thing to do, but I for one find it very hard to enjoy such a tight promotion race. Still, he must have faced many such pressures and let s hope he and the rest of the lads can keep their nerve

 

[Bigbee]

Although at one point he was speaking about what players we needed when promoted. He does realise this is Brentford yeah?

Mark Bright asked him " if " promoted

The shows on iplayer if any one missed it.

 

[eaglebee]

Just watched it again on iplayer, it made me realize even more just how lucky we are to have Mark as our manager, articulate, passionate, grounded, well spoken, although his first managerial position he has worked his way up with all the right people in the game, my only worry is that the way he presents himself is not going unnoticed by other club chairmen, how long will we be able to hang on to him for?, hopefully his relationship with MB and the draw of a new stadium will keep him here for a few more years at least.

 

[Idaho Bee]

Struck me that his focus is solely on the Bees and his words to the players were to 'relish the challenge' . He keeps using these words relish and embrace and I guess that is the right thing to do, but I for one find it very hard to enjoy such a tight promotion race. Still, he must have faced many such pressures and let s hope he and the rest of the lads can keep their nerve

Although it seems like a "tight promotion race" to us nervous nellies in the middle of it all. I suspect to the outsider looking in, a 6 point lead with 6 games to go, doesn't look all that tight a race at all.

 

[RT]

Mark Bright asked him " if " promoted

The shows on iplayer if any one missed it.

My bad then. Good that he has an idea though. Liked the fact he took some of the players up to where he used to work to show how other people deal with pressure

 

[DavidgRushden]

Sack Mark Warburton for only being 6 points in front of the 3rd club at this
stage of the season

 

[westwing]

Came across as a very focussed manager last night and a great advert for BFC.