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MetalBee said:
I'm going with the start of the 2014/2015 season
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Having just had a look at the update on the Bias site I would settle for the start of 2014/2015.

I can't see the issues outlined there being resolved anytime soon. :(
 

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Twelfth Of Never :fishing:
I take nothing away from all the hard work put in by various people to get this far but it is Brentford after all .. I am still waiting for the stadium at Brentford Market! :rolleyes:
 

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Beestill my beating heart said:
Does anyone know if any involvement is planned with social housing providers?
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I'm absolutely sure there will be. The London Housing Associations that we're working with are all aware of this scheme so I'd be surprised if conversations hadn't taken place with Barratts.
 

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nick logan said:
:nono: :nono: :nono: please no
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Why not? New stadium for the Championship? :)
Certainly can't see it being ready in time for the Olympics now Ken's gone, thanks to The Sun wot won it.

Thanks for the BIAS update :sorted: although the layout is up sh*t creek halfway down.
 

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Im interested in some of the things raised in the BIAS article...

BIAS said:
We will be designing a 20,000 capacity stadium, with an opportunity for another 5,000 seats. We want a roof structure that is cheap to maintain, with no fancy arches. The benefit of a flat roof is that you can have advertising, which will provide the club with an income stream.
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This seems all very sensible and I think is what most of us were expecting. Is this the first time the capacity has been officially 'confirmed' or have I missed that? Shame the idea about the bee's wings arch isn't going to happen :fishing:

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In terms of parking, we would like to provide parking for at least 60% of residents. We are not proposing much parking for stadium, but it is a balancing act.
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This worries me slightly. I don't actually drive to games :beer: but I know families do and a lot of away fans will. I dont really know if this is taken slightly out of context but having a 20,000 capacity stadium with no parking will be massively against the wishes of local residents - especially when we're in the Championship!

Apart from that I dont think we can really take much from the article - except for Network Rail - 'We won't let you buid a bridge unless you build us a station aswell'. Seems fair enough I think.
 

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Here's one industry forecast expecting house prices to flatten out by 2010
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/t...mortgages/article4246511.ece?&EMC-Bltn=PKVC79

Global Insight forecasts house prices to fall by 12 per cent in both 2008 and 2009, before gradually flattening out during 2010. As a result, house prices are seen falling 24 per cent in nominal terms from their October 2007 peak of £186,044 to stand at £141,003 at the end of 2009 (based on the Nationwide measure).
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Oh well, if Barratt fall away, theres always Plan B, we could slot Taylor Wimpey in.:rolleyes:
 

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JBN said:
Oh well, if Barratt fall away, theres always Plan B, we could slot Taylor Wimpey in.:rolleyes:
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I think the problem is that unless we could make a killing on the housing market for GP then there wasn't even a plan A, selling GP for housing was the only real option to finance a new stadium. I'm not really blaming anyone as I don't think there's any other realistic short-erm solutions, also hindsight's a wonderful thing but we've just seen the back of well over a decade in which the housing market has done nothing but soar.

Our plan B was a good plan B unless something happened to the entire new build sector, which on recent form was very unlikely. This time last year the big banks were falling over themselves to offer mortgages & begging the big construction companies to leverage themselves up to the hilt with acquisitions & big debts safe in the knowledge that business was booming & we were all sitting on big landbanks valued at billions of pounds that no-one could see being next-to-worthless overnight.

The current situation has caught everyone with their pants down - from banks to construction companies, to the government, to M&S, all the way through to your average man on the street trying to buy a basket of groceries for less than £50.

I think for the minute we should be grateful that we hadn't committed any enormous resources to the whole project, our new plan B has to be to survive what looks to be a harsh downturn in Britain's economy (The type in which expensive luxuries like going to football on a saturday may start to prove less appealing) & come out the other side in a position to start all over again.

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Extremely worried, cannot sell griffin park for houses! (who in their right mied is going to buy) therfore no new stadium. how long can we last losing £k500 per year, we need a new stadium bringing extra income as soon as possible.

Have we bought land already or can we negotiate a better price reflecting present climate? hope we have not bought at the highest premium.

1st signs of reccesion looming is that the construction industy collapses just like 1987 ie Barrats, Wimpy etc are releasing staff, losing share price and land values etc. was in building game till 91 then got in oil and gas construction as safer industry and tided the 99 recession luckily.
 
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Loughtonbee said:
our new plan B has to be to survive what looks to be a harsh downturn in Britain's economy (The type in which expensive luxuries like going to football on a saturday may start to prove less appealing) & come out the other side in a position to start all over again.

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Wouldn't disagree with that.

My concern is that we have been whipped into a Lionel Road frenzy and perhaps those in the know are reluctant to say that if Plan A fails, Plan B is to stay put and try and survive. Which, in the current climate should be considered and communicated to the great unwashed.

The residential construction market has had a big kick in the nuts and they are all struggling. Quite how we would 'slot' A N Other developer in when the whole sector is down is beyond me.

The whole Plan B thing is a joke. We have Plan A and Plan A with another developer. If we adopt that approach, we could be on Plan X by the end of the year, which is Plan A with the 24th prefered developer.
 

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I think there are several League clubs at present at varying stages of new ground developments and I suppose most if not all will be effected by the housing slump.

The problem for everyone will be uncertainty as to when the housing market can be expected to recover to the point where new construction takes off again. I think in Barratt's case the annual report put the companies land bank at 5.3 years worth of housing sales based on the recent sales record of 17,000 to 18,000 housing units per year. If sales levels drop by the 50% predicted by many, than that leaves the company with a land bank equivalent to over 10 years of sales to work down or sell off until such time as the market recovers.

Prior to Barratt's acquisition of the Lionel Road land, the principal reserve plan was the grant funded improvements to Griiffin Park for which the club has secured planning consents and of which the Ealing Road roof was the first completed phase. Further development of GP however, required substantial capital committments by the club and the business case for major works on New Road and other areas is (or was) far more tenuous than the Ealing Road works.

The club has announced a strategy for next season of funding an enhanced playing budget with monies that have been largely secured in advance. Improved attendances, cup runs, transfer fees and TV/play-off income are all potential opportunities from such a strategy that (if any materialise) may help to reduce the total funding required for the year.

How the club can approach it's strategy for the following season (s) is almost certainly going to be influenced by both the outcome of this season and how quickly the housing market settles.
 

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Radio 5 analyst said one of the big housing groups will go to the wall...Barratt was mentioned as a possibility :sad:
 

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Markybee said:
Radio 5 analyst said one of the big housing groups will go to the wall...Barratt was mentioned as a possibility :sad:
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Read something similar in the weekend press.

But ultimately we have an exciting development to build and valuable land to sell. Sure it would be an almighty headache if Barratts folded or was bought out but let's hope someone else would take on the project.
 

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Markybee said:
Radio 5 analyst said one of the big housing groups will go to the wall...Barratt was mentioned as a possibility :sad:
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It would be........ Brentford innit. If that was to happen, just months after this partnership was revealed, it would be enough to finally convince me that there is a huge curse hanging over this football club.
 

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The appearance of the Stadium will undoubtedly be distinctive. The current proposal creates and enclosed pitch to maximise a cauldron like atmosphere and focus attention (and noise) onto the playing surface.
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:bound:, i have a chubby :yes:
 

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very encouraged having read this. understand the decisions around standing, both from the point of receiving funding and the eternal reluctance of all football club boards to allow a viewing choice to fans that is by nature cheaper to them than seating. having said that it would be interesting to have a space earmarked for potential conversion, in case views change, and in particular economics of the game change, to allow this to be feasible.

can't have it all though can we? need to pay for those bees wings. ;)
 

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this thread perfectly sums up the life of a Brentford fan, one post will give you the massive high of reading the Architects plans for our new ground, then the next will bring you crashing down to earth regarding the fall of Barratts.......why is it never easy with this great club !?! :)
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure I read somewhere that the design of the new stadium will enable the capacity to be increased if and when necessary.
 

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TW3Bee said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure I read somewhere that the design of the new stadium will enable the capacity to be increased if and when necessary.
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I read that it was going to be 20k capacity with room for 5k more.
 

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TW3Bee said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure I read somewhere that the design of the new stadium will enable the capacity to be increased if and when necessary.
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nope.

it would be too expensive to 'add on' another tier, plus the triangle of land and the part the stadium will take up isn't big enough to allow expansion. the stadium designed, with a 20,000 capacity, is the biggest it can be.
 

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you think we could get a roof on, and put seating on that, strapped in, facing down on the pitch? that would be wicked.
 

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BuzzBeeSi said:
I read that it was going to be 20k capacity with room for 5k more.
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http://www.bias.org.uk/news_story.php?id=200_0

"PH: How high will the stadium be?
JA: Difficult question to answer at this stage. We will be designing a 20,000 capacity stadium, with an opportunity for another 5,000 seats. We want a roof structure that is cheap to maintain, with no fancy arches. The benefit of a flat roof is that you can have advertising, which will provide the club with an income stream. Most of the community hub building will be 4 or 5 stories. In the southern end of the site we could make a case for 9 stories."
 

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TW3Bee said:
That's why we love it so much and keep coming back for more.
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No it isn't, i am fed up with bad luck. I thought we had cracked it this time and now it seems to be slipping away again. I hope i am just over reacting. Thank God we are gonna get promotion this year to cheer us all up.
 

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wanderer paul said:
nope.

it would be too expensive to 'add on' another tier, plus the triangle of land and the part the stadium will take up isn't big enough to allow expansion. the stadium designed, with a 20,000 capacity, is the biggest it can be.
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It's being designed for expansion. This would only be feasable if in the Premiership. Let's try and fill 20,000 first!
 

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Even in the Prem'ship (a very long way off) I would be surprised if we needed more than 20k very often.

Taking the Ch'ship as a more likely target, I wouldn't see us exceeding 20k there at all, so that seems a sensible maximum even in the med-long term
 

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Brain-dead Bee said:
Even in the Prem'ship (a very long way off) I would be surprised if we needed more than 20k very often.

Taking the Ch'ship as a more likely target, I wouldn't see us exceeding 20k there at all
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What about all those top-of-the-table clashes with Charlton, Crystal Palace, Reading, Watford, QPR and Fulham?
 

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Shirley Bee said:
What about all those top-of-the-table clashes with Charlton, Crystal Palace, Reading, Watford, QPR and Fulham?
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Assuming it's a serious question, if you mean top of championship, I would be surprised if we reached 20k for any of those - particularly if we kept away fans out of the home end (or will it be a home tier, with away fans confined to 6 rows at the front?)

A lot might change if we are looking more than 10 years ahead, but if we got 2 promotions in a row, I wouldn't see us being able to get 20k even if we had the room
 

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Will the new stadium have a club shop...? :fishing:
 

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Brain-dead Bee said:
A lot might change if we are looking more than 10 years ahead, but if we got 2 promotions in a row, I wouldn't see us being able to get 20k even if we had the room
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if we had 2 promotions in a row, we'd fill it with folk wanting to see the flying pigs in brentford shirts.
 

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JBN said:
Is this the same as the Lionel Road Steering Group that Markbfc mentioned earlier or is this a seperate committee/group/club/quango?
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And the answer is?
 

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Brain-dead Bee said:
Assuming it's a serious question, if you mean top of championship, I would be surprised if we reached 20k for any of those - particularly if we kept away fans out of the home end (or will it be a home tier, with away fans confined to 6 rows at the front?)

A lot might change if we are looking more than 10 years ahead, but if we got 2 promotions in a row, I wouldn't see us being able to get 20k even if we had the room
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it was tongue in cheek. But on further reflection, I think it's quite possible. I have no idea of the numbers, but I would guess Reading's average home gate was about 5-6k when they were in London Road before Madjetsky stepped in, and was 20k or thereabouts in their promotion season to the premiership. I would also guess Charlton's average home gate last season was more than 15k, with up to 20k for some games, but only a fraction of that number before the Valley became a new stadium.
 
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Shirley Bee said:
it was tongue in cheek. But on further reflection, I think it's quite possible. I have no idea of the numbers, but I would guess Reading's average home gate was about 5-6k when they were in London Road before Madjetsky stepped in, and was 20k or thereabouts in their promotion season to the premiership. I would also guess Charlton's average home gate last season was more than 15k, with up to 20k for some games, but only a fraction of that number before the Valley became a new stadium.
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London Road?? Elm Park it was.

Madejski is his name.
 

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Shirley Bee said:
it was tongue in cheek. But on further reflection, I think it's quite possible. I have no idea of the numbers, but I would guess Reading's average home gate was about 5-6k when they were in London Road before Madjetsky stepped in, and was 20k or thereabouts in their promotion season to the premiership. I would also guess Charlton's average home gate last season was more than 15k, with up to 20k for some games, but only a fraction of that number before the Valley became a new stadium.
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Thats Peterborough's ground :wave:
 

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Owlsmoor_Bee said:
I'm absolutely sure there will be. The London Housing Associations that we're working with are all aware of this scheme so I'd be surprised if conversations hadn't taken place with Barratts.
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Well if any contacts are needed I work for a London HA and am happy to help.
 

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PrincessBee said:
very encouraged having read this. understand the decisions around standing, both from the point of receiving funding and the eternal reluctance of all football club boards to allow a viewing choice to fans that is by nature cheaper to them than seating. having said that it would be interesting to have a space earmarked for potential conversion, in case views change, and in particular economics of the game change, to allow this to be feasible.

can't have it all though can we? need to pay for those bees wings. ;)
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Agreed. I can see the FA and/or FIFA allowing standing again in the future, but not the forseeable future.
 

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Brain-dead Bee said:
Even in the Prem'ship (a very long way off) I would be surprised if we needed more than 20k very often.

Taking the Ch'ship as a more likely target, I wouldn't see us exceeding 20k there at all, so that seems a sensible maximum even in the med-long term
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If we'd had the capacity, we'd have sold 20,000 tickets for Brentford v Reading in May 2002.
 
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