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WarrenBee
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Wahey! We're gonna havre a triangular stadium!
Probably the only three points we'll get.
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The Toblerdome.
The Bermuda stadium it is then....perhaps a remake of the Arsenal stadium mystery is on the cards??
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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16985289486
The report coming out today reminded me of how much I enjoy standing at football. So, if you have Facebook, please do join my group. It would be great if we could get several thousand on there.
On LR, good news that it isn't going to be a Doncaster or Darlington style ground. Eager to see the designs now.
The report coming out today reminded me of how much I enjoy standing at football. So, if you have Facebook, please do join my group. It would be great if we could get several thousand on there.
On LR, good news that it isn't going to be a Doncaster or Darlington style ground. Eager to see the designs now.
ladbroke
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Im sure we would have sold a fair bit more in a nice new stadium against Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday and Southampton!
rebus
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Shirley Bee
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Thats Peterborough's ground
Thanks.
That'd been worrying me. I guess it's what I should expect as I enter my twilight years.
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Sweepy
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I think I mentioned a two tier set-up in one of the discussions on this. A lower tier provides a natural meeting point for those who will miss the paddock. The upper tier will provide an excellent view for those who like to sit a little higher up
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Les Beeavinu
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Nice one Lesbo
Almost certainly.
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I see AFL have started their research well and refer to a "Griffen Park" over on the BIAS website http://www.bias.org.uk/news_story.php?id=201_0 
JBN
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Barratts dropping over 1,000 jobs, Redrow and Bovis having a clear out. Linden easing up on construction.
Thats plan A,B,C and D out the window.
Peerhaps we need another comittee/working party set up to work out plan E.
Thats plan A,B,C and D out the window.
Peerhaps we need another comittee/working party set up to work out plan E.
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Barratts dropping over 1,000 jobs, Redrow and Bovis having a clear out. Linden easing up on construction.
Thats plan A,B,C and D out the window.
Peerhaps we need another comittee/working party set up to work out plan E.
The Barratt news was announced last week...
I did read today though that there is still a strong demand for "social housing" in the Barratt portfolio so lets hope that is what they have in mind for the LR development
West Ealing Bee
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It was, however, announced this morning that Barratt had extended their overdraft to, if I heard correctly, around £250m.
It seemed like a debt re-structure.
rebus
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Barratts dropping over 1,000 jobs, Redrow and Bovis having a clear out. Linden easing up on construction.
Thats plan A,B,C and D out the window.
Peerhaps we need another comittee/working party set up to work out plan E.
What are you on about. Are you getting some sort of orgasmic pleasure out of your posts about plans A B C and D ? Otherwise, I really do wonder what are the purpose of your posts?
Do you know how many jobs are going at Barratts West London? Do you know if the plans for the Stadium and its enabling development are being put on ice or being accelerated?
JBN
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Mark, I asked a question earlier about teh Bias report being the same committee or not as the one you mentioned.
Unfortunatly, nobody answered it.
Do i assume they are the same or two completly different working parties/committees?
Perhaps you would be good enough to clarify.
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JBN
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We currently have one plan and everything rests on it, so forgive me if I am concerned.
rebus
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rebus
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http://www.bias.org.uk/news_story.php?id=201_0
http://www.bias.org.uk/news_story.php?id=200_0
They are different reports. The pdf response from AFL is quite revealing and worth a read.
JBN
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They are differnet reports, but that doesn't answer the question.
Is the Lionel Road Liason Group a different group to the Lionel Road Steering Group or are they one and the same and its a bit of a typo?
rebus
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JBN
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Thanks for that.
Are there personnel sitting in on both groups or they seperate with a feedback forum between the two?
JBN
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Plan B is plan A with another developer slotted in, that is Joes take on it and you mentioned a similar view earlier. If Developer B fails, developer C steps in and so. On that basis, we could have no end plans.
The point I am making is that 'if' and I hope it is a big if, Barratts go under, other developers in the sector are not going to be falling over themselves to take Barratts place as they are all in similar sh*t. Which leaves BFC back at square one.
Or do you know different?
Les Beeavinu
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JBN is expressing a concern probably held by 99% of Brentford supporters regarding this project. I don't really see why he is being slaughtered for asking a legitimate question - what happens if Barratt's pull out? "Don't worry, we know what we're doing" seems inadequate, in the circumstances.
rebus
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Because he keeps expressing this opinion and was told the answer weeks ago. If he keeps expressing it, he will be told the answer again and again to ensure that Brentford supporters know this the truth on this matter.
The reply was not "Don't worry, we know what we're doing", as you well know.
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JBN, today's FT news item for Barratt's can be viewed on the attached link http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b8afcf20-4df3-11dd-820e-000077b07658.html
Barratt's are due to issue a trading statement tomorrow and if the short term cash flow issues are sorted as expected, than perhaps press speculation about the company will quieten down for a while.
I don't think anyone at BFC or BU under-estimates the importance of Lionel Road to the clubs future stability. If the rising housing market had continued for another year and the current turmoil came jiust as construction planning was about to start that may have been much worse. At least now there is still some time for the property market to bottom out and start to recover while planning consents are being undertaken and development negotiations continue.
As you quite rightly highlight the back-up plan referred to in the BU news release on Lionel Road deals with the options available to the club should Barratts withdraw from the project for any reason. Let's not forget though, Barratt's have invested a not inconsiderable amount of time and money in the project to-date.
There are industrial tenants curently in situ at the Lionel Road site and a rental income from the land - so there may be other measures that can be employed if unavoidable delays in commencing construction are encountered down the line.
I am told Barratts have temporarily halted construction on the private housing section of the their Great West Road development, but are completing the affordablle housing elements, as I guess demand for such property from Housing Association's and others continues unabated. While this kind of housing may not be as profitable for the developer, if there are institutional buyers standing by for such property than there is the possibilty this may be considered as an initial phase for development.
Barratt's are due to issue a trading statement tomorrow and if the short term cash flow issues are sorted as expected, than perhaps press speculation about the company will quieten down for a while.
I don't think anyone at BFC or BU under-estimates the importance of Lionel Road to the clubs future stability. If the rising housing market had continued for another year and the current turmoil came jiust as construction planning was about to start that may have been much worse. At least now there is still some time for the property market to bottom out and start to recover while planning consents are being undertaken and development negotiations continue.
As you quite rightly highlight the back-up plan referred to in the BU news release on Lionel Road deals with the options available to the club should Barratts withdraw from the project for any reason. Let's not forget though, Barratt's have invested a not inconsiderable amount of time and money in the project to-date.
There are industrial tenants curently in situ at the Lionel Road site and a rental income from the land - so there may be other measures that can be employed if unavoidable delays in commencing construction are encountered down the line.
I am told Barratts have temporarily halted construction on the private housing section of the their Great West Road development, but are completing the affordablle housing elements, as I guess demand for such property from Housing Association's and others continues unabated. While this kind of housing may not be as profitable for the developer, if there are institutional buyers standing by for such property than there is the possibilty this may be considered as an initial phase for development.
Edmundo
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JBN seems to want to use the uncertainty over Barratts current position to take a pop at Bees United for not having a gold-plated Plan B with which to save BFC. Indeed he even seems to be relishing the prospect that the Lionel Road plans will fall through. I sincerely hope I've read him wrong, but that is the way it comes across to me.
Owlsmoor_Bee
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None, according to the chap from Barratt West London who I met with today. That suggests to me that Barratts don't see as bleak an outlook for the London market as they may do for other areas in the country.
JBN
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You have indeed read me wrong. I would like to see Lionel Road built and occupied by BFC playing Championship footy (minimum
).There is uncertaintanty through the whole sector and I have a deep concern that we do not have a plan B apart from slotting in another developer which, in my book, is not agreat back up plan in the current climate with other resi developers laying off staff and stopping construction right left and centre.
I'm not having a pop at BU over it, I haven't had Brians response to my email some 4 weeks ago to formulate a pop at BU just yet
. I would just like an answer, which I seem to be have been told is 'slot in another developer if Barratts can do the deal', so refer to paragraph 2 above.New Stadium Progress
None, according to the chap from Barratt West London who I met with today. That suggests to me that Barratts don't see as bleak an outlook for the London market as they may do for other areas in the country.
Correct.
Les Beeavinu
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I do not well know.
I have no idea what the plan would be if Barratt's dropped out of the game.
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I do not well know.
Let's not forget that they have not dropped out of the game.
Before we had "What is Plan B if Lionel Road doesn't come off?". Now it is "What happens if Barratt's drop out?"
There are many what ifs in any project, and some of them are fundamental to the project.
However, there is no indication that Barratts are dropping out.
There is, as we know, a change in the property market. However we don't know how long that is going to last and what effect it will have on the project. If worst comes to worst I would imagine that (if the finances were available) we could park Lionel Road until such time that the market recovers.
In the meantime all these questions are speculation based on hypotheticals. Barratts are still working on the project and so are Brian Burgess, Chris Gammon, Mike Power, Greg Dyke and Donald Kerr on behalf of BFC and BU.
Les Beeavinu
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You're a project manager by trade so you'll understand the need to do risk management. However, I note the defensive position that everyone's adopted so there's little point in pursuing any further.
Except to say of course that there is no way I would "well know" what the alternative is because it's not something that has been shared as far as I can see.
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It seems to me that the defensive position is there because of the person who asked the initial question and the tone used to ask it.
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Seems to tally with the high demand Barratt are still experiencing for "social housing" I read about, good news.
If they can go ahead without the top end plots then who cares as long as LR is completed
PS - less of the biaaatching fellas, in places it sounds like Desperate Housewives on this thread
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It's not put forward as a plan as such Les, but the challenges entailed in staying put at Griffin Park for an extended period of time have been shared with fans:
The club's operating plan is set for this season - so the focus of risk management moves up to future seasons based around the alternate scenarios that might play out over the next 12 months and thereafter.
Beestill my beating heart
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I doubt that this is due to demand from social landlords (RSL's), unless it's for rented only stock. I'd guess these have to be delivered under the planning agreement.
The same downturn and inability to get mortgages that is affecting the mainstream market is also affecting the shared ownership market, and RSL's are increasingly going to have problems selling homes.
JBN
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Just for you Simon, I'll run you through the saga
It started way back in post 205 with this:
The response followed:
And I asked the question:
I don't think was an edge in that question, if you can find it, let me know.
And then off it went on its merry little GPG jaunt, led by a couple of BU reps who treat you with distain when you have the audacity to ask a question and then wonder why some of us don't bother joining BU
The thing is, I work in property development, I know what its all about.
I will post no more on the subject (possibly), no doubt there will be a cheer rise up from the keyboards of some/many/all out there.
Good luck with plan whatever it maybe and even better luck raising the membership of BU
It started way back in post 205 with this:
The response followed:
And I asked the question:
I don't think was an edge in that question, if you can find it, let me know.
And then off it went on its merry little GPG jaunt, led by a couple of BU reps who treat you with distain when you have the audacity to ask a question and then wonder why some of us don't bother joining BU
The thing is, I work in property development, I know what its all about.
I will post no more on the subject (possibly), no doubt there will be a cheer rise up from the keyboards of some/many/all out there.
Good luck with plan whatever it maybe and even better luck raising the membership of BU
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rebus
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You keep repeating inaccuracies so to stop fiction becoming fact I have to keep correcting you.
I understand from a previous post that you say that Brian Burgess has not contacted you. I was cc'd into an email from him to you on the 3rd of July. I will forward this to you again.
JBN
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You keep repeating inaccuracies so to stop fiction becoming fact I have to keep correcting you.
I understand from a previous post that you say that Brian Burgess has not contacted you. I was cc'd into an email from him to you on the 3rd of July. I will forward this to you again.
Mark
I've gone through my inbox and my old email and there is nothing, feel free to forward it through.
Can you enlighten me on the inaccuracies?
I suggest you request a receipt for proof.