Should Scott Go?

[NorthamptonBee]

Probably closer to the truth than some would like to admit...

Now I know that we think differently but you don't believe that, do you?

 

[hypa123]

What an unbelievable load of old crap!!!!!!!!

First set of four games - one point; second set of four games - five points; third set of four games - six points; fourth set of four games - nine points; fifth set of four games... well, so far six points out of six.

I think that could be fairly described as gradual and consistent acceleration, don't you?

 

[RoyalOakBee]

as for the dwindling support, AS's critics should ask themselves whether their own whinging, carping and constant niggling has not had the effect of a self-fulfilling prophecy, affecting the way other supporters see how the team is playing and deterring many of them from turning up.

So its all our fault now? lol

Has Andy got a friend who lives in France that he asks to post his own thoughts for him?

 

[RoyalOakBee]

First set of four games - one point; second set of four games - five points; third set of four games - six points; fourth set of four games - nine points; fifth set of four games... well, so far six points out of six.

I think that could be fairly described as gradual and consistent acceleration, don't you?

Does your theory work if you do it every three games or every two games?

What if you do it for home games only and away games only?

How many points have been required to finish sixth in the last three season?

What formula would we need to accomplish the lowest of the three totals?

 

[JTofBFC]

No he isn't. He's a manager with a L2 winner's trophy under his belt who has turned his season around after a terrible start in the league while engineering two excellent cup runs. The overall pattern of the league season to date has been one of gradual and constant acceleration with every prospect of a continued rise up the table.

Your stat regarding the 4 game groups is interesting actually and can't be dismissed. I look forward however to some gradual and accelerating improvement to our home form of which so far there has been precisely none. Without that we will not improve any further.

As for the dwindling support, AS's critics should ask themselves whether their own whinging, carping and constant niggling has not had the effect of a self-fulfilling prophecy, affecting the way other supporters see how the team is playing and deterring many of them from turning up.

This is gradual and accelerating claptrap I'm afraid.

 

[The Pipe]

No he isn't. He's a manager with a L2 winner's trophy under his belt who has turned his season around after a terrible start in the league while engineering two excellent cup runs. The overall pattern of the league season to date has been one of gradual and constant acceleration with every prospect of a continued rise up the table.



As for the dwindling support, AS's critics should ask themselves whether their own whinging, carping and constant niggling has not had the effect of a self-fulfilling prophecy, affecting the way other supporters see how the team is playing and deterring many of them from turning up.

Hypa I must bow to your superior knowledge and intelligence, quite frankly I dont know what I was thinking of watching the Bees home and away and then possibly having some opinion on what I was watching whereas I could have spent the time away from the ground and pontificated on something that I was not watching!!!

I have tried to stay away from making personal comments regarding posters but have to say that finally I have broken as your constant nit picking has driven me to distraction and this last bit of drivel beggars beleif.......although I suppose it is the same as the Scott detractors claiming that it it has been there comments that have resulted in the team changes we now see.

I genuinley hope that the progress in recent weeks will continue and if that is the case then, along with a number of others, I will have little to complain about and hope that Scott takes us to another level. In the meantime however the issue, as I see it, has not been about results but instead about performance which is different matter and presumably, from your eyrie in Paris something that you would have difficulty in commenting upon.

 

[sussexb]

No he isn't. He's a manager with a L2 winner's trophy under his belt who has turned his season around after a terrible start in the league while engineering two excellent cup runs. The overall pattern of the league season to date has been one of gradual and constant acceleration with every prospect of a continued rise up the table.



As for the dwindling support, AS's critics should ask themselves whether their own whinging, carping and constant niggling has not had the effect of a self-fulfilling prophecy, affecting the way other supporters see how the team is playing and deterring many of them from turning up.

I am amazed by your continuing ability to condescend and patronise.

How is your brand of intervention going to engender anything positive?

 

[hypa123]

I am amazed by your continuing ability to condescend and patronise.

On a par with the ability of many fans to patronise and condescend to Andy Scott.

 

[sussexb]

On a par with the ability of many fans to patronise and condescend to Andy Scott.

Well, I'm sure he's very pleased to have you there to look out for him. He does come across as a delicate little flower.

 

[slatts]

You can tell winter has set in. With the short cold days Bees fans have got nothing else to do except drivel on and on and on............................................

 

[Green Dragon Bee]

The last time we were promoted from this division there were criticisms about the style of football we played. Why we changed style from Perryman's passing style to Holder's long ball and why we dropped Richard Cadette for Gary Blissett etc.
I see no reason to doubt Andy Scott and Terry Bullivant whose team mix it up and can play attractive passing football as well, and think it is insane to even contemplate removing them.

 

[wayfarer172]

No point closing it. You see, if you consider this,

y = mx + b x [2sq]

y obviously representing the number of Andy Scott based threads currently open on the GPG, we find that each time a thread is closed (mx) two more are started (b). My conclusion therefore, is that it is far better to keep this thread open in order to avoid fringe threads [2sq], which would possibly cover such diverse matters as the cut of his slacks, breakfast habits etc., until eventually the life and times of Andy Scott would be the only topic we discussed on the GPG. Which wouldn't do. NorthamptonBee's got a book to sell :yes:.

 

[vcmazz]

You can tell winter has set in. With the short cold days Bees fans have got nothing else to do except drivel on and on and on............................................

Indeed. Welcome to Groundhog Day and thank you for your contribution .

 

[Roy_loak]

not really firing from the hip and insulting but honest.just how can people really be staying away at a time that the club genuinely looks it is going in the right direction.Just has 2 successful seasons,got extra funds,got a load of players in who need time to gel,wheres the patience and if the last 2 results AND performances are anything to go by,we are in for another good Season,HOPEFULLY.Theres still over half of the season to go,so my view is all this negativity on here aswell as the walking away is all a bit premature,if we were rock bottom and miles behind id understand.If people cant afford to go thats fair enough,i too have to think more of my funds when it come to going Bees now,and ive had to cut out other things this season as my hopes are higher this season,faith has not yet been lost and ive done alot of games so sacrafices have been made else where.i do feel prices at football(acroos the board)at our level are too high,simple as that and those who think halving our entrance fee will increase our gates are well wrong,proof is there when BFC do deals,freebies etc and it doesnt do a thing to our attendance.And your right,attendances nationwide are well documented as going down.

BNB i admire your optimism and i wish more shared it, but the sad fact is that there are many who don't. in answer to your question "how can people really be staying away" it's simple i'm afraid, they watch a boring non event game and say **** this for a game of soldiers and don't come back. a friend of mine often brings his two boys, who are showing signs of being good players themselves, and was disgusted with the performance v mk and said he wouldn't be bringing his kids to gp for the foreseeable, which pi55es me right off. i recently won a family ticket in a charity auction, i'll give it to him to hopefully encourage him to give our beloved bees another chance.

 

[south coast bees]

BNB i admire your optimism and i wish more shared it, but the sad fact is that there are many who don't. in answer to your question "how can people really be staying away" it's simple i'm afraid, they watch a boring non event game and say **** this for a game of soldiers and don't come back. a friend of mine often brings his two boys, who are showing signs of being good players themselves, and was disgusted with the performance v mk and said he wouldn't be bringing his kids to gp for the foreseeable, which pi55es me right off. i recently won a family ticket in a charity auction, i'll give it to him to hopefully encourage him to give our beloved bees another chance.

Top man
Keep the FAITH

 

[Newport Pagnell Bee]

I have tried to stay away from making personal comments regarding posters but have to say that finally I have broken as your constant nit picking has driven me to distraction and this last bit of drivel beggars beleif.......although I suppose it is the same as the Scott detractors claiming that it it has been there comments that have resulted in the team changes we now see.

I used to have the same problem with blunstone. Some of his comments used to drive me mad, particularly when he refused to acknowledge any post that reasonably questioned / challenged his view. Then I discovered the "Ignore Button". I didn't want to use it & he is the only one on my list. My God it's helped. I no longer get stressed or angry. I have re-discovered a calm and inner peace that many search for throughout their lives and never achieve. Highly recommended

 

[NorthamptonBee]

If Newport Pagnell Bee joins in this debate can someone let me know please.

 

[bees66]

Without Scott I think we would be emulating Luton and possibly Halifax (my local side).

without Ron Noades we could have be in the Championship by now??

 

[Newport Pagnell Bee]

If Newport Pagnell Bee joins in this debate can someone let me know please.

 

[Roy_loak]

I used to have the same problem with blunstone. Some of his comments used to drive me mad, particularly when he refused to acknowledge any post that reasonably questioned / challenged his view. Then I discovered the "Ignore Button". I didn't want to use it & he is the only one on my list. My God it's helped. I no longer get stressed or angry. I have re-discovered a calm and inner peace that many search for throughout their lives and never achieve. Highly recommended

blunstone is a he? no offence intended whatsoever but i always thought blunstone was a lady bee.

as for hypa, if pipe had had him on ignore, he'd have missed the brilliant "southampton" post and would never have realised what a deep understanding and knowledge hypa has of football !

 

[Newport Pagnell Bee]

blunstone is a he? no offence intended whatsoever but i always thought blunstone was a lady bee.

as for hypa, if pipe had had him on ignore, he'd have missed the brilliant "southampton" post and would never have realised what a deep understanding and knowledge hypa has of football !

I did see that brilliant Southampton post. The words foot & shoot spring to mind & it was very funny. But is one moment of humour worth a lifetime of pain?

 

[Braemar's Northoltian Bees]

without Ron Noades we could have be in the Championship by now??

as much as i hate noades,as he is the cause of our monstrous debt.when he took over the club,we had an awful squad of players with many of their contracts finishing,we were strong contenders for relegation again !

 

[bees66]

as much as i hate noades,as he is the cause of our monstrous debt.when he took over the club,we had an awful squad of players with many of their contracts finishing,we were on the verge of strong contenders for relegation again !

The bosman wasn't in at that time, this was the season after we lost to crewe in the play-offs. we had a bloody good team. Gills were the only club not to get relegated after not winning a play-off final from what I seen to recall.

Brentford 1997/1998 player appearances

M Adams
I Anderson
W Aspinall
P Barrowcliff
J Bates
G Benstead
M Bent
S Blaney
D Bryan
S Canham
D Clark
G Cockerill
N Colgan
D Cullip
K Dearden
K Dennis
R Denys
T Fernandes
N Gleghorn
R Goddard
G Hall
G Hogg
A Hurdle
C Hutchings
D McGhee
M McPherson
S Myall
A Oatway
J Omigie
M Pollitt
K Rapley
R Reina
A Scott
S Spencer
R Taylor
N Thompson
L Townley
P Watson
S Wormull

 

[Braemar's Northoltian Bees]

The bosman wasn't in at that time, this was the season after we lost to crewe in the play-offs. we had a bloody good team. Gills were the only club not to get relegated after not winning a play-off final from what I seen to recall.

couldnt have been that good if we got relegated?why did we go down then.The only time we seemed to put up a good fight was near the end under Mickey Adams,took some pastings before that

 

[Stanley]

why did we go down then.

Lost some key players and replaced them with lesser ones.

 

[hypa123]

as for hypa, if pipe had had him on ignore, he'd have missed the brilliant "southampton" post and would never have realised what a deep understanding and knowledge hypa has of football !

We aim to please. Stay tuned.

 

[bees66]

why did we go down then.

simple, Mickey (mouse) Adams was a crap manager, he brought in some right sh*t

 

[North London Bee]

We had a very poor team packed full of cheap has beens and never would be's. Some of the veterans were OK like Aspinall, Cockerill, Hogg and Gleghorn and Oatway, Cullip and Bryan were decent but Watson, Townley (sorry Leon) and many others were average in the extreme and Andy Scott had yet to find his feet.

bob Taylor also seemed to lose interest at the end and we got what we deserved - relegated,

 

[vcmazz]

simple, Mickey (mouse) Adams was a crap manager, he brought in some right sh*t

we got what we deserved - relegated,

Harsh. He took over a squad of what David Webb used to describe as 'sparesies' - that's 'Conference', to you and me, at a club that was being strung up by it's bollox (if a club can have bollox ), installed a bit of spirit and came close to keeping us up which, would have been an absolute miracle considering what he inherited. I liked him :shrug:.

 

[beebopalula]

Harsh. He took over a squad of what David Webb used to describe as 'sparesies' - that's 'Conference', to you and me, at a club that was being strung up by it's bollox (if a club can have bollox ), installed a bit of spirit and came close to keeping us up which, would have been an absolute miracle considering what he inherited. I liked him :shrug:.

I think that's a fair verdict. He inherited a very poor squad at Christmas and needed a slightly longer run at rescuing us. If the board had moved a bit earlier, I think he'd have made it.

 

[Roy_loak]

We aim to please. Stay tuned.

lol well taken sir. joyeux noel.

 

[BedfontRed]

First set of four games - one point; second set of four games - five points; third set of four games - six points; fourth set of four games - nine points; fifth set of four games... well, so far six points out of six.

I think that could be fairly described as gradual and consistent acceleration, don't you?

The Garlic has addled your Brain Cells

 

[North London Bee]

Harsh. He took over a squad of what David Webb used to describe as 'sparesies' - that's 'Conference', to you and me, at a club that was being strung up by it's bollox (if a club can have bollox ), installed a bit of spirit and came close to keeping us up which, would have been an absolute miracle considering what he inherited. I liked him :shrug:.

I wasn't criticising Micky Adams who, like Eddie May had to try and make bricks without straws.

I just thought tht the season was a total disaster with a post-Wembley hangover, the Webbtakeover, the team decimated and no investment in players until the die was well and truly cast.

Yes, a win at Bristol Rovers in the last day would have saved us - and we lost tpo 10 men but we were really poor all year

 

[hypa123]

The Garlic has addled your Brain Cells

Not at all. It's simply a way of enabling people to see more clearly what a number of posters on here refuse to see, namely that after a stumbling start to the season, Brentford's performances - or shall we just say results - have steadily and consistently improved. It's a way of showing that there has been a shape to the season so far, that's it's not just a series of random events over which the manager has been unable to exercise any control. It is, moreover, an improvement that I predicted quite unambiguously a good two months ago.

 

[sonofabee]

I wasn't criticising Micky Adams who, like Eddie May had to try and make bricks without straws.

I just thought tht the season was a total disaster with a post-Wembley hangover, the Webbtakeover, the team decimated and no investment in players until the die was well and truly cast.

Yes, a win at Bristol Rovers in the last day would have saved us - and we lost tpo 10 men but we were really poor all year

Adams reign was desperate and I felt sorry for him.

It was like asking me to convince my mates who are all vets to bail me out by digging out their boots for one last go at senior level to fufil fixtures as the current squad hasn't got 11 footballers on the books. Supplement the old has beens with a few never was mates and top up on a friday night in your local with blokes who overhear you asking the landlord if any of the punters have ever played and are available tomorrow.

It was like the script of one of those awful feelgood "When saturday comes" type football films, start with a 52 year old alcoholic cynic (Warren)and throw in a girl in disguise plus a special needs kid who turns out to be the new Wayne Rooney except that in Leon Townleys case it was just asking too much for him to read the game!

That truly was the worst side ever assembled with Mike Everitts a close second

 

[Low End Bee]

That truly was the worst side ever assembled with Mike Everitts a close second

Surely the Leroy/Fitz lash up was worse?

 

[sonofabee]

Surely the Leroy/Fitz lash up was worse?

That was a poor side but take out Bob Taylor and there wasn't a footballer who wasn't past it or showed potential to play at a higher level. (Pollitt was on loan)

If I remember Leroy tried to play football but we were just lightweight without funds or any real contacts to get higher level loanees in. He started the season with Skulasson who soon did one and Jo Kuffour who at least I enjoyed watching, In Adams team I looked for Aspinwall taking someone out off the ball and that was about it!

 

[Guildford Bee]

Adams reign was desperate and I felt sorry for him.

It was like asking me to convince my mates who are all vets to bail me out by digging out their boots for one last go at senior level to fufil fixtures as the current squad hasn't got 11 footballers on the books. Supplement the old has beens with a few never was mates and top up on a friday night in your local with blokes who overhear you asking the landlord if any of the punters have ever played and are available tomorrow.

It was like the script of one of those awful feelgood "When saturday comes" type football films, start with a 52 year old alcoholic cynic (Warren)and throw in a girl in disguise plus a special needs kid who turns out to be the new Wayne Rooney except that in Leon Townleys case it was just asking too much for him to read the game!

That truly was the worst side ever assembled with Mike Everitts a close second

Aspinall, Oatway, Hogg....they knew how to give out a kicking though!

It did have Taylor, Hutchings and Ijah who were all decent players at the time. I agree was pretty desperate although I would still say what we ended up with under SF was worse.

 

[nick logan]

Aspinall, Oatway, Hogg....they knew how to give out a kicking though!

It did have Taylor, Hutchings and Ijah who were all decent players at the time. I agree was pretty desperate although I would still say what we ended up with under SF was worse.

Surely Aspinall must be in the " decent player " bracket ?? I liked him.

 

[Sultan]

Anyway, should Scott go?

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Anyway, should Scott go?

Yep, he can leave his plan b with us though.
I suggest that he can get himself on that public speaking roadshow with David Brent.

 

[vcmazz]

Surely Aspinall must be in the " decent player " bracket ?? I liked him.

Aspinall was great. As was Oatway. And, I'm the only person in the world that rated Watson :shrug:.

 

[nick logan]

Aspinall was great. As was Oatway. And, I'm the only person in the world that rated Watson :shrug:.

No, Watson was decent too.

 

[vcmazz]

No, Watson was decent too.

Gets a terrible regular slating on here. Glad to find someone else agrees he was decent . I rated Cullip too :shrug:.

 

[sonofabee]

Surely Aspinall must be in the " decent player " bracket ?? I liked him.

I loved watching him play for us, he came across as a great lad who had the craic and could look after himself but he was way past his best!

 

[sonofabee]

Aspinall was great. As was Oatway. And, I'm the only person in the world that rated Watson :shrug:.

Charlie worked his socks off, got stuck in and was a "character". For a lad who struggled to read or write he was bright, with an infectious personality who never stopped battling but IMHO was no better than reasonable at best?

 

[vcmazz]

Charlie worked his socks off, got stuck in and was a "character". For a lad who struggled to read or write he was bright, with an infectious personality who never stopped battling but IMHO was no better than reasonable at best?

Maybe. But having a player that was 'reasonable' at that time was like signing Pele lol.

 

[nick logan]

Gets a terrible regular slating on here. Glad to find someone else agrees he was decent . I rated Cullip too :shrug:.

Yeah Danny was a good player.

 

[Braemar's Northoltian Bees]

Lost some key players and replaced them with lesser ones.

that was my point ?

 

[Braemar's Northoltian Bees]

simple, Mickey (mouse) Adams was a crap manager, he brought in some right sh*t

you siad we had a bloody good team? and the only time we put up a decent fight was under Adams with some of the grandads we had playing for us