Should Scott Go?

[Guildford Bee]

Anyway back to topic, HOOFBALL, I don't think we play it. I don't know what we play but it's normally slow passing to the wings and hoof it as a last resort when all other ideas have gone and the pressure is on to offload. We don't play short passes, we don't play middle length type passes but I don't consider us to be hoof merchants.
People talk of a plan b but I can't tell you what plan a is, the players seem to be in the dark with it too.

It's a good point. A neutral mate of mine has been to several games over the past few seasons and he always comes away saying "I can't work out what your style of play is".

 

[Brentford_till_die]

Can't agree, I've seen Woodman done for pace but his tackling is good, he doesn't fly in but his timing is good and more often than not he comes away with the ball.

 

[Low End Bee]

....Anyway back to topic, HOOFBALL, I don't think we play it. I don't know what we play .....

I've come up with WINGBALL or BALLWANG. Not sure which name suits it best.

 

[Brentford_till_die]

I hear people go on about we have no plan B.....
I dont know what plan A is

 

[toeneebee]

I hear people go on about we have no plan B.....
I dont know what plan A is

Plan B is very much the same as Plan A (it's called going backwards and sideways) lol

 

[Brentford_till_die]

Plan B is very much the same as Plan A (it's called going backwards and sideways) lol

lol

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Plan B is very much the same as Plan A (it's called going backwards and sideways) lol

There is nothing wrong with going backwards and sideways if it means we retain possession. One of the biggest problems IMO is the frequency with which possession is conceded so cheaply when we try to go forward.

 

[DavidgRushden]

I do listen, but I don't agree. We do not have a big budget, we are not Leeds United. If we were Leeds in this position, calling for the manager to be sacked would be understandable. OK we're not doing fantastic but it's not sackable territory at all.

I have been to 9 games this season, including Bournemouth home a couple of weeks ago and Aldershot last night.

I'd consider sacking the manager if and when we got relegated. We put our faith in him by giving him the budget for a full season so he deserves to be given the full season, we can judge him then.

With comments like these, its no wonder football managers last on average less than 2 years in post. The bloke had 3 great seasons, doesn't he deserve some loyalty and forebearance? Apparently not, you lot are happy to take all the success and as soon as the going gets tough you reach for the shotgun.

If AS does get the sack I will write to him and apologise for this ungrateful negativity, stress that not all fans want him out, and would consider stop watching Bees.

Are you for real. Supporters who put hard earn't money into the club have a right to criticise, especially when the problem has been evident for so long.

 

[DavidgRushden]

I think that Brentford fans have held it together pretty well thus far, the only time I have booed was at Tranmere and that was purely because we (well 10 of us anyway) were taking the pee out of the Tranny fans who booed their team and manager plus the poor ref for 94 whole minutes.
A man booing another man is weird IMO but that's a personal thing.

Anyway back to topic, HOOFBALL, I don't think we play it. I don't know what we play but it's normally slow passing to the wings and hoof it as a last resort when all other ideas have gone and the pressure is on to offload. We don't play short passes, we don't play middle length type passes but I don't consider us to be hoof merchants.
People talk of a plan b but I can't tell you what plan a is, the players seem to be in the dark with it too.

Did you never play "blow football" as a boy NB? AS employs the same system now hence the kicking the ball any old place!!

 

[2826 claire]

BALLWANG.

lol

 

[Paul O'Brien]

Anyway back to topic, HOOFBALL, I don't think we play it. I don't know what we play but it's normally slow passing to the wings and hoof it as a last resort when all other ideas have gone and the pressure is on to offload. We don't play short passes, we don't play middle length type passes but I don't consider us to be hoof merchants.
People talk of a plan b but I can't tell you what plan a is, the players seem to be in the dark with it too.

It seems to me that we have two ways of attacking (during the first half). The first is to try to condense the play in the hope that at some pouint Miles will be left isolated or one-on-one, at which point the ball goes out to him. Trouble at the moment is that he can't even control the ball when he's clear.

The other way is a diagonal ball to Simpson, if he's playing, for him to win in the air. That however depends on someone being there to pick up the knock-down.

Second half, if we're not winning, is actually a straight hoof to Alexander (or our diddy forawards if Alexander isn't around).

Most of the time we run straight up and down the pitch as though we're using Roman roads, apart from KO'C who runs sideways as a picker-up of unconsidered trifles - the teams who've done well against us are far more mobile and able to interchange (Rochdale, for example). We also seldom attack the ball in the area. The annoying thing is that we're perfectly able to do these things ourselves.

I reckon, incidentally, that we need a midfield enforcer (a Talboy or Hurlock type) more than anything else, to ern us the right to play. I've also come to the conclusuon that I'd like to see either Saunders or Forster (!!) as the midfield creator - they seem to be the only ones with an ouhce of nous.

 

[mattbee85]

There is nothing wrong with going backwards and sideways if it means we retain possession. One of the biggest problems IMO is the frequency with which possession is conceded so cheaply when we try to go forward.

This is usually beacuse the people from the middle going forward are bean who is paceless, cant control the ball, cant pass unless its backwards and that is usually pi55 poor and reminds me off that little ginger fella gareth graham we had. Then we have KOC who again is paceless, cannot pass forwards but passes backwards better than bean or sideways!!! The problem imo is there are usually ample oppertunities that over 4,000 bees supporters usually see to pass forward and we go backwards. Myles who yes can be quality but is inconsistent runs at defences and due to the fact he has been found out by other teams is usually marked by 2 people and taken out of the game and loses the ball. Dave who i personally like but has been all over the place is better than these 2 when he finds his form and i think AS should be a little more patient and play him as we know he has it in him unlike the current 2 of Bean and KOC. Hunt has a good pass and usually its forward why the hell is he not being given a go??? AS is blind to all of this and he thinks beans good and KOC is good enough to be captain, fact is hes wrong and the sooner he realises this the more chance he has of saving his job!!!

 

[mattbee85]

Are you for real. Supporters who put hard earn't money into the club have a right to criticise, especially when the problem has been evident for so long.

Here here, and according to RWBEE we should wait to see if we were relegated??? WTF???? If we are relegated we will have less budget to correct the problem, we would have less money to employ a manager that is sufficient for where we want to be and where our budget suggests we should be. Relegation for this club at this point after spending large amounts of money on purchases, wages, agents fees, signing on fees and anything else could spell the end for this club and im sure Benham must realise this. And the part about writing a letter to AS to apologise???? again WTF???? Sorry andy you were tactically inept, sorry the majority of your many many signings didnt work out, sorry you were to stubborn to realise your mistakes, sorry you never changed things when you had oppertunity, sorry you blamed everyone else apart from yourself and so on. Maybe when he leaves he should write us a letter and apologise after supporters spending lots of money on travel, tickets, food, drink, lots of time, effort and loyalty im sorry supporters for playing my favourite players and tactices even though they clearly wernt working, i am sorry for being stubborn and taking no blame, i am sorry for wasting your biggest budget you had in a long time, im sorry for producing sh*t displays week in week out. No way things have to and im sure will be if things dont change before xmas!!!!

 

[sonofabee]

It seems to me that we have two ways of attacking (during the first half). The first is to try to condense the play in the hope that at some pouint Miles will be left isolated or one-on-one, at which point the ball goes out to him. Trouble at the moment is that he can't even control the ball when he's clear.

The other way is a diagonal ball to Simpson, if he's playing, for him to win in the air. That however depends on someone being there to pick up the knock-down.

Second half, if we're not winning, is actually a straight hoof to Alexander (or our diddy forawards if Alexander isn't around).

Most of the time we run straight up and down the pitch as though we're using Roman roads, apart from KO'C who runs sideways as a picker-up of unconsidered trifles - the teams who've done well against us are far more mobile and able to interchange (Rochdale, for example). We also seldom attack the ball in the area. The annoying thing is that we're perfectly able to do these things ourselves.

I reckon, incidentally, that we need a midfield enforcer (a Talboy or Hurlock type) more than anything else, to ern us the right to play. I've also come to the conclusuon that I'd like to see either Saunders or Forster (!!) as the midfield creator - they seem to be the only ones with an ouhce of nous.

Spot on,

think I said somewhere yesterday that it was unrealistic given our centre midfield to try to play at a fast tempo, condense play by pressing high and overpower the oppo - we've seen that in certain games that Beano and Kev have found that extra rush of adrenalin and yard of pace but week in week out it's a non starter.
A centre pairing of Tabby and Hurlock might just allow others time and space to pick out wide men in better positions and support but it still wouldn't be my preferred style!

What frustrates me is that he's done his badges, isn't thick but still can't recognise that at this level you can't set up to play that way week in week out. If he was achieving results he'd probably be able to justify but when we're back in 18th it cannot be an acceptable tactic.

 

[Davee]

Can't help feeling we are going round in circles again.

It can only go two ways: Scott changes his attitude and tactics, we start winning and all is good.
Scott stays the same, we gradually go down the league and he gets the bullet.

I think we've said pretty much all that can be said. Fingers crossed for Plymouth!

 

[favershambee]

I have supported Brentford 54 years, bought shares in BFC IN THE 1960'S to avoid the takeover, a member of Bees utd with a standing order , season ticket holder. I'm doing my bit and I certainly don't want to go back to league 2. Call it what you like Hoofball or whatever, its certainly not entertainment value and I can see that type of football down the recreation ground any sunday morning. So no thanks, I appreciate what Andy has done in promotion and avoiding football league surviva but he has got to sort it out straight away or he goes.

 

[PJ]

Has he ****ing gone yet? How many more pages of mostly angry posts are needed to convince the club that based on the GPG sample he has lost most of the crowd?

A poll of 300/350 fans is hardly "most of the crowd" Sweepy and the board wouldnt base any decision on a poll like this.
Our gates might be dwindling but a poll of 300/350 is hardly representative of the GP faithful

 

[KGB]

PJ,

You are of course right, but, disturbingly, the number of empty season ticket seats unoccupied seem to increase with each home match. I don't know whether this is an illusion but it certainly seems that way to me.

If we can't get people who have paid for their seats in advance to come, I think that the situation is beginning to get very worrying.

 

[westy]

A poll of 300/350 fans is hardly "most of the crowd" Sweepy and the board wouldnt base any decision on a poll like this.
Our gates might be dwindling but a poll of 300/350 is hardly representative of the GP faithful

PJ please the football is awful, some of the guys that sit with me in the paddock don't come into games anymore they just go to the Griffin or Royal Oak for a drink with the lads.

Bad Times!

 

[PJ]

PJ please the football is awful, some of the guys that sit with me in the paddock don't come into games anymore they just go to the Griffin or Royal Oak for a drink with the lads.

Bad Times!

KGB/Westy

I dont disagree , just saying a poll of that size is irrelevant to be honest

 

[mhead bee]

brilliant. You must tell us which stand you would like to sit in by yourself come the New Year.

Put him next to me, far too many moaners in BR, we need a new nut job to keep us entertained

Is the above poll carrying on from the last one because I voted for more time last time, I voted out this time. I want my last vote removed so it is an accurate reflection.

Also AS is a dead man walking. Almost everybody wants him out, there is the occasional lone voice supporting him about once every two to three hundred posts but when it hits this stage it is only a matter of time.

I am gutted for him but I am afraid like everyone else I have just run out of love. I cant see a way back when it gets this far.

My biggest regret will be that useless wker at barnet smiling about it.

 

[Bill Benn]

A poll of 300/350 fans is hardly "most of the crowd" Sweepy and the board wouldnt base any decision on a poll like this.
Our gates might be dwindling but a poll of 300/350 is hardly representative of the GP faithful

You are correct Pete,the only poll as we all know is the who comes through the gates.As been mentioned by KGB the gaps in the ground are getting larger.Even more bizarre is we are being told by the club we are ahead of budget.

 

[mhead bee]

KGB/Westy

I dont disagree , just saying a poll of that size is irrelevant to be honest

Well actually its not, it is a relection of the general feeling.

I would be amazed if the feelings of almost 10% of hard core fans didnt in some way reflect the feeling of 100% of hard core fans. I would be further amazed if all the fans who dont use the internet think he is great.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Can't help feeling we are going round in circles again.

It can only go two ways: Scott changes his attitude and tactics, we start winning and all is good.
Scott stays the same, we gradually go down the league and he gets the bullet.

I think we've said pretty much all that can be said. Fingers crossed for Plymouth!

More than two ways surely ?

Scott changes his attitude and tactics, we gradually go down the league and he gets the bullet.
Scott stays the same and we start winning and all is good...to think of two more.

 

[Steve G]

You are correct Pete,the only poll as we all know is the who comes through the gates.As been mentioned by KGB the gaps in the ground are getting larger.Even more bizarre is we are being told by the club we are ahead of budget.

In that case the board will say everything in the garden is rosy. Perhaps somebody should tell them there's a problem otherwise it might take them until April before they start to wonder where all the fans have disappeared to.

 

[PJ]

Well actually its not, it is a relection of the general feeling.

I would be amazed if the feelings of almost 10% of hard core fans didnt in some way reflect the feeling of 100% of hard core fans. I would be further amazed if all the fans who dont use the internet think he is great.

Which is 41% of the 350 or so who voted

I didnt vote purely as i hate it when it gets so persoanl on here (generally, i dont mean you) with any manager, especially an ex player .
The abuse Leroy got was a disgrace really and i hope AS never has to suffer that at GP

 

[Freebee]

I just think it's very sad that AS has brought us to the point where we are having a pop at each other on GPG.

The most important thing to keep repeating is that we ALL love Brentford otherwise we wouldnt bother posting.

Everyone must have reworded what they've already said in every concievable way and any new thread instantly gets transformed into the universal topic.
That shows the sheer frustration of it all and Winning verbal sparring points over each other doesn't fix the problem or give any relief imho.

I just hope that one way or the other it's sorted soon either with the appointment of a new manager(my choice) or by a dramatic swing in tactics and performances.

Regardless i will always be a bee because anything else is just plain wrong and i'd still go to every game if i could afford to rather than having to be selective at the moment

 

[Bill Benn]

Which is 41% of the 350 or so who voted

I didnt vote purely as i hate it when it gets so persoanl on here (generally, i dont mean you) with any manager, especially an ex player .
The abuse Leroy got was a disgrace really and i hope AS never has to suffer that at GP

Not forgetting the dogs abuse Wally (500k playing budget)got.

 

[seanrs]

I just think it's very sad that AS has brought us to the point where we are having a pop at each other on GPG.

The most important thing to keep repeating is that we ALL love Brentford otherwise we wouldnt bother posting.

Everyone must have reworded what they've already said in every concievable way and any new thread instantly gets transformed into the universal topic.
That shows the sheer frustration of it all and Winning verbal sparring points over each other doesn't fix the problem or give any relief imho.

I just hope that one way or the other it's sorted soon either with the appointment of a new manager(my choice) or by a dramatic swing in tactics and performances.

Regardless i will always be a bee because anything else is just plain wrong and i'd still go to every game if i could afford to rather than having to be selective at the moment

Excellent post

 

[pensioner]

is our manager backward

There is nothing wrong with going backwards and sideways if it means we retain possession. One of the biggest problems IMO is the frequency with which possession is conceded so cheaply when we try to go forward.

very accurate post

 

[IslandBee]

That's what I keep doing. Every day I hope to see the announcement greet me on the GPG like a nice early colourful Christmas card.

In other news, remember the days when AS could always pull of a loan signing to get us out of a pickle? Well for whatever reason, it would seem he is having a problem or two getting other clubs to loan him players now:-

http://www.ealinggazette.co.uk/spor...trated-in-the-transfer-market-64767-27673643/

I just wish that all concerned would hurry up and see the inevitable.

Just in the interests of balance, the report quoted above also includes:

"Scott admitted last week he was chasing a few loan deals to freshen up a squad which has played more games than any other Football League side this season."

“However, we still have options within the squad too, and I thought the players who came in on Tuesday did okay, and Sam Saunders in particular did well."

 

[IslandBee]

Anyway back to topic, HOOFBALL, I don't think we play it. I don't know what we play but it's normally slow passing to the wings and hoof it as a last resort when all other ideas have gone and the pressure is on to offload. We don't play short passes, we don't play middle length type passes but I don't consider us to be hoof merchants.
People talk of a plan b but I can't tell you what plan a is, the players seem to be in the dark with it too.

Spot on but I think there is a plan a, it's just that we are just not good enough to play it well on a consistent basis

 

[IslandBee]

I reckon, incidentally, that we need a midfield enforcer (a Talboy or Hurlock type) more than anything else, to ern us the right to play. QUOTE]

Just mention of the name brought the memories flooding back, someone half that good in midfield right now would feel like some kind of nirvana !

 

[Gazza Bee]

Next game watch the winger when he goes at him Woodman never commits to the tackle and the winger goes straight past him.
The good games he has is when they dont attack him.
As I said he is good going forward ,not so much running at them but he plays really good balls in to Charlie and Weston.
All a matter of opinion though eh

what the hell? how many times has the opposition right winger had a good game against Woodman and how many times has the opposition manager switched or substituted him due to being ineffective

 

[Bigbee]

It's a good point. A neutral mate of mine has been to several games over the past few seasons and he always comes away saying "I can't work out what your style of play is".

What is a neutral mate ? Not sure if you like him or not?

 

[Bigbee]

Which is 41% of the 350 or so who voted

I didnt vote purely as i hate it when it gets so persoanl on here

Oh do f uck off PJ

 

[2826 claire]

Just in the interests of balance, the report quoted above also includes:

and Sam Saunders in particular did well."

If he really believes this, then why the f**k did he sub him?

 

[Robi Bee]

Careful he's an estate agent....

Compact and bijou with old world charm. South facing.

lol Funniest thing I've read day Low End Bee.

Sorry, what's this thread about...?

 

[Paul O'Brien]

If he really believes this, then why the f**k did he sub him?

Sorry, I know you're desperate to find yet another stick to beat AS with but you're out of luck this time: in the Local Guardian, he said 'did very well before running out of legs' which seems to me to be a good reason for subbing him. However, you can always turn that round to ask why the f**k he played him then.

 

[2826 claire]

Sorry, I know you're desperate to find yet another stick to beat AS with but you're out of luck this time: in the Local Guardian, he said 'did very well before running out of legs' which seems to me to be a good reason for subbing him. However, you can always turn that round to ask why the f**k he played him then.

If you want to believe that then crack on. It's a bit like when Forster couldn't play more than 10 minutes because of the urgently needed surgery and then immediately went on to play a full game twice

I don't need another stick to beat him with as he appears to be doing just fine all by himself.

 

[Paul O'Brien]

If you want to believe that then crack on. .

I don't quite follow. Why should I carry sail to the full limit of strength of masts, yards, and tackles?

 

[2826 claire]

I don't quite follow. Why should I carry sail to the full limit of strength of masts, yards, and tackles?

Good answer. Totally responded to my point

 

[Beestill my beating heart]

Which is 41% of the 350 or so who voted

I didnt vote purely as i hate it when it gets so persoanl on here (generally, i dont mean you) with any manager, especially an ex player .
The abuse Leroy got was a disgrace really and i hope AS never has to suffer that at GP

 

[ianbees1]

Give Scott a break for Christ's sake. Beat Everton, almost did Birmingham, manager of the month.....this is Brentford, get used to it. The Everton game gave me one of of my best footballing moments in a long time.

 

[IslandBee]

If he really believes this, then why the f**k did he sub him?

Because he really thinks he is sh*te and was just saying this to keep the Sam Saunders fan club off his back

 

[RoyalOakBee]

Revisionist history.....Scott done well for the club after the departure of Butcher and by getting us out of league 2.
It's clear he has signed some duds in his time, but accessed some gems too.

ROB seems to cite Glenn Poole and Alan Connell as examples of bad Scott business.
I 'll leave you with that thought.

Glenn Poole signed for us on May 17 2007. Was he on loan before that?
Butcher joined the club in April and Scott in May 2007 the latter with knowledge of players from the non league scene in the South East.
Glenn Poole signs from Grays, a South East Non League side, two weeks later.

Alan Connell signed in July 2007. Connell originates from Enfield and the previous year to signing he had made his league debut after gaining promotion from the Conference with Hereford.

Butcher would have known jack sh*t about either player as he was in Australia until early 2007 so you can draw your own conclusions.

Simon Brown palyed for Colchester 140 times before playing 49 games in Scotland over three season the last of which Butcher was in Australia!

Glenn Poole, Simon Brown and Alan Connell were all once of Tottenham Hotspur FC. Coincidence? Does Andy Scott have a decent contact at Spurs?

Or were they all Butchers own work?

If I recall Basey and Pettigrew were the only two players Butcher had any involvement in signing, ie he watched Basey once in a friendly against a non league side pre season and Pettigrew came in with a set of new showers for the Home dressing room as part of the Chelsea Reserves deal done by his mate Keith.
Sammy Moore came from Butcher's old club Ipswich but I think the contact there was even Scott's as future signings appears to confirm.

Starosta came from Scotts old club Sheffield, Hamer we know about, Mackie and Thorpe were ex playing colleagues of Scott.

Future numerous signings by Scott in his own right as manager show those that want to talk about football, all you need to know about Scott the Scout.

Few Hits among so many Misses.

Give me something else to write about please like who can we persuade to come in as his replacement.

 

[rwBee]

This is ridiculoius.

WE ARE BRENTFORD.

NOT LEEDS UNITED, SOUTHAMPTON, MAN U, REAL MADRID, or BRAZIL

We are a mid-ranking League 1 team. We can play ugly football if we want to, that is League 1. We are not under performing giants, we are Brentford in the 3rd tier.

How many times???

You all talk like we are Liverpool in this league, in fact we are no higher than Brentford's historical position over the last 60 years.

Yes we could do better like Blackpool or Scunny, but you can't expect the manager to be sacked if we don't hit that massive standard of over-achievement.

Yes we are not playing great but is that sackable offence? No!!!

NO

NO

NO

NO

NO
How many times

End of thread

 

[Roy_loak]

I have supported Brentford 54 years, bought shares in BFC IN THE 1960'S to avoid the takeover, a member of Bees utd with a standing order , season ticket holder. I'm doing my bit and I certainly don't want to go back to league 2. Call it what you like Hoofball or whatever, its certainly not entertainment value and I can see that type of football down the recreation ground any sunday morning. So no thanks, I appreciate what Andy has done in promotion and avoiding football league surviva but he has got to sort it out straight away or he goes.

well said sir. unfortunately if he refuses to change during games when we are getting spanked, i can't see him changing now. i bear the bloke no ill will whatsoever, but he has shown his own ruthless side and surely knows the consequences of failure.

 

[Roy_loak]

This is ridiculoius.

WE ARE BRENTFORD.

NOT LEEDS UNITED, SOUTHAMPTON, MAN U, REAL MADRID, or BRAZIL

We are a mid-ranking League 1 team. We can play ugly football if we want to, that is League 1. We are not under performing giants, we are Brentford in the 3rd tier.

How many times???

You all talk like we are Liverpool in this league, in fact we are no higher than Brentford's historical position over the last 60 years.

Yes we could do better like Blackpool or Scunny, but you can't expect the manager to be sacked if we don't hit that massive standard of over-achievement.

Yes we are not playing great but is that sackable offence? No!!!

NO

NO

NO

NO

NO
How many times

End of thread

wake up mate, if we demanded non stop success we'd have given up decades ago!!

 

[Paul O'Brien]

Glenn Poole signed for us on May 17 2007. Was he on loan before that?
Butcher joined the club in April and Scott in May 2007 the latter with knowledge of players from the non league scene in the South East.
Glenn Poole signs from Grays, a South East Non League side, two weeks later.

Alan Connell signed in July 2007. Connell originates from Enfield and the previous year to signing he had made his league debut after gaining promotion from the Conference with Hereford.

Butcher would have known jack sh*t about either player as he was in Australia until early 2007 so you can draw your own conclusions.

Simon Brown palyed for Colchester 140 times before playing 49 games in Scotland over three season the last of which Butcher was in Australia!

Glenn Poole, Simon Brown and Alan Connell were all once of Tottenham Hotspur FC. Coincidence? Does Andy Scott have a decent contact at Spurs?

Or were they all Butchers own work?

And there speaks Grassy Knollington.