Should Scott Go?

[kevalutonbee]

Nah, there are other candidates ahead of him.
Sean O'Driscoll is the obvious one. Eddie Howe.
Gold/Sullivan deserve relegation for ditching Zola/Clarke, and they'll definitely get it with Avram Grant in charge.

 

[nick logan]

Probably more truth in this good observation by malvernbee than is being credited, especially by the pro AS group. Of course we all are happy to see a few wins and a change in the style of play, but let's not make a great big divide amongst supporters because of it.

There is no truth in it at all.

 

[nick logan]

Sorry Nick but Plymouth & Colchester we did play different I think.
We look to pass the ball better and those two away games I actually was optimistic we would come away with all the points, same cant be said for most the other away games this season.

Plymouth & Colchester were probably the best away games this season where we look dangerous and quite useful passing it about..which is obviously a good thing, long may it continue.

Most the other games we just looked like we lack confidence and hoofing the ball up top.
What we have seen recently, if we continue to play like this we will be up there come end of season.

I don't recall us hoofing ( got i ****ing hate that word now ) hardly at all away from home this season .

We have played very well in a number of away games and not taken our chances in some. Even at Brighton we were very comfortable until a mistake. The general pattern of play is the same. I think the players have had to adapt to not having Myles which prob means they have had to think on their feet. That suits them though, good players can do that.

 

[Niyx]

if mr scott can give a good ENTERTAINING performance against notts co ill forgive him.

I am more worried about the Southampton away game in a few weeks.

I've got a 'orrible feeling we are going to get our arses kicked big time

 

[nick logan]

I am more worried about the Southampton away game in a few weeks.

I've got a 'orrible feeling we are going to get our arses kicked big time

We may lose but if we do its no disgrace. Their squad is amazingly strong and they should piss the League.

 

[condorman]

I don't recall us hoofing ( got i ****ing hate that word now ) hardly at all away from home this season .

We have played very well in a number of away games and not taken our chances in some. Even at Brighton we were very comfortable until a mistake. The general pattern of play is the same. I think the players have had to adapt to not having Myles which prob means they have had to think on their feet. That suits them though, good players can do that.

i would add that myles - whilst a great attacking option - isnt a "tippy tapper" in that he is a head down, run at them and cause merry hell kind of player.

sam saunders probably "is" (i dont really know what tippy tap means incidentally, other than AS used it as a descriptive term at the fans forum) in that he tends to look to pass to feet and move into space etc and probably has a better end product than myles (but not that raw pace and strength).

so thats probably made a difference to the style of play.

 

[Niyx]

but if we do its no disgrace

Yes it is !!!!


Especially if you have to work with 8 scummers!

 

[nick logan]

i would add that myles - whilst a great attacking option - isnt a "tippy tapper" in that he is a head down, run at them and cause merry hell kind of player.

sam saunders probably "is" (i dont really know what tippy tap means incidentally, other than AS used it as a descriptive term at the fans forum) in that he tends to look to pass to feet and move into space etc and probably has a better end product than myles (but not that raw pace and strength).

so thats probably made a difference to the style of play.

If we get get both Sam and Myles firing we will start taking teams to the cleaners. Will make us so less lopsided if the middle 2 have 2 options they can trust.

 

[nick logan]

Yes it is !!!!


Especially if you have to work with 8 scummers!

Ha , i understand your trepidation now !!. Don't worry i am sure we will put up a good show.

 

[hypa123]

Probably more truth in this good observation by malvernbee than is being credited, especially by the pro AS group.

Presumably you also believe in fairies and Father Christmas.

Incidentally, re Southampton, those of you with longer memories may recall that Southampton started the season almost as badly as Brentford and there were calls among the fans for the manager's head. Fortunately for Southampton the board-room was less fickle and they have subsequently made the sort of progress that was expected of them. I don't need to point out the moral, I think.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Presumably you also believe in fairies and Father Christmas.

Incidentally, re Southampton, those of you with longer memories may recall that Southampton started the season almost as badly as Brentford and there were calls among the fans for the manager's head. Fortunately for Southampton the board-room was less fickle and they have subsequently made the sort of progress that was expected of them. I don't need to point out the moral, I think.

Erm, Southampton changed their manager and are now reaping the rewards.

 

[fallacy]

Presumably you also believe in fairies and Father Christmas.

Incidentally, re Southampton, those of you with longer memories may recall that Southampton started the season almost as badly as Brentford and there were calls among the fans for the manager's head. Fortunately for Southampton the board-room was less fickle and they have subsequently made the sort of progress that was expected of them. I don't need to point out the moral, I think.

Haha, they took Scunny's manager Atkins months ago mate....

 

[The Pipe]

Presumably you also believe in fairies and Father Christmas.

Incidentally, re Southampton, those of you with longer memories may recall that Southampton started the season almost as badly as Brentford and there were calls among the fans for the manager's head. Fortunately for Southampton the board-room was less fickle and they have subsequently made the sort of progress that was expected of them. I don't need to point out the moral, I think.

Give it a rest, all we are concerned about is how our team plays, (ok some have a different agenda), Saints were right although subsequently they sacked Pardew, whilst other clubs failed to take action and paid the price. At the end of the day if the Bees are succesful then 99% of posters will be happy

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Haha, they took Scunny's manager Atkins months ago mate....

and their board were more fickle than the fans who demonstrated at Pardew's ousting.

 

[wanderer paul]

Give it a rest, all we are concerned about is how our team plays, (ok some have a different agenda well NB maybe.... but he's just a playground bully boy ), Saints were right although subsequently they sacked Pardew, whilst other clubs failed to take action and paid the price. At the end of the day if the Bees are succesful then 99% of posters will be happy (otherwise known as "Gloryhunters"

when you have watched so much crap, we have every right to have an opinion, now that 'football' has been played a little bit more and the channels used when it is required, we have looked a much better side than just hoofing it up to GA or CM to jump up for, or for Myles Weston to run like sh*t and chase, AS (i'm assuming) has changed his tactics slightly, all for the better.

 

[maddogging]

Hypa, brilliant !! Excelled yourself there

 

[WisBee]

Erm, Southampton changed their manager and are now reaping the rewards.

.........................minor detail, easily overlooked by some moralists....................:shrug:

 

[scruff puppy pup]

I am more worried about the Southampton away game in a few weeks.

I've got a 'orrible feeling we are going to get our arses kicked big time

Charlton lost 0-4 at home to Brighton just over a month ago and they've been on a roll since.

Nick's right, Saint's should take control of this division, but our lad's play better against better opposition. We might not win, but we won't get stuffed. Think Norwich away last season.
:thetruth:

 

[DavidgRushden]

Presumably you also believe in fairies and Father Christmas.

Incidentally, re Southampton, those of you with longer memories may recall that Southampton started the season almost as badly as Brentford and there were calls among the fans for the manager's head. Fortunately for Southampton the board-room was less fickle and they have subsequently made the sort of progress that was expected of them. I don't need to point out the moral, I think.

No I don't believe in fairies, but was merely attempting to say that comments must have got through to AS, because he was, in his own words,"sick of it" and yet coincidentally he changes format of play in the last two games and hey, we win. I note you didn't seem to remember that Southampton changed their Manager early on, thus shooting yourself in the foot!!!!!!!! Like I also pointed out, there are some pro AS and some anti AS, and everyone has a right to make their choice, but you obviously don't agree.

 

[vcmazz]

Can see AS finishing up at West Ham. OMG.

Nah, there are other candidates ahead of him.
Sean O'Driscoll is the obvious one. Eddie Howe.
Gold/Sullivan deserve relegation for ditching Zola/Clarke, and they'll definitely get it with Avram Grant in charge.

Nah. You're both wrong. Obvious choice and dead cert is West Ham old boy Martin Allen. It must be true coz it's in 'The Sun'. Tomorrow. Probably .

 

[vcmazz]

No I don't believe in fairies, but was merely attempting to say that comments must have got through to AS, because he was, in his own words,"sick of it" and yet coincidentally he changes format of play in the last two games and hey, we win. I note you didn't seem to remember that Southampton changed their Manager early on, thus shooting yourself in the foot!!!!!!!! Like I also pointed out, there are some pro AS and some anti AS, and everyone has a right to make their choice, but you obviously don't agree.

Good post David. Spot on. Everyone does have the right to make their choice and also to change their mind as and when performances and results change like the wind. It's always been the way in football. I saw a picture that amused me last night of a 'Thorne In The Side' banner with 'Don't Go Webby' scrawled across it lol. As things change so do opinions and as you say, this shouldn't divide us. Nor should we be too stubborn to have flexible opinions .

 

[Bill Benn]

Presumably you also believe in fairies and Father Christmas.

Incidentally, re Southampton, those of you with longer memories may recall that Southampton started the season almost as badly as Brentford and there were calls among the fans for the manager's head. Fortunately for Southampton the board-room was less fickle and they have subsequently made the sort of progress that was expected of them. I don't need to point out the moral, I think.

What l always thought you were,you have now proved itlollollollol FYI Southampton started the season with a bloke called Pardew in charge he was sacked by the fickle board.lollollol

 

[Gee Bee]

Presumably you also believe in fairies and Father Christmas.

Incidentally, re Southampton, those of you with longer memories may recall that Southampton started the season almost as badly as Brentford and there were calls among the fans for the manager's head. Fortunately for Southampton the board-room was less fickle and they have subsequently made the sort of progress that was expected of them. I don't need to point out the moral, I think.

Oh dear, think you should have given a slightly better example.

 

[bennyb]

I am more worried about the Southampton away game in a few weeks.

I've got a 'orrible feeling we are going to get our arses kicked big time

really? i feel we usually rise to this sort of challenge

 

[bennyb]

you are just too kind, mr scrooge.

and give him a few hours off on christmas day too?

 

[bennyb]

me too

 

[bennyb]

If we get get both Sam and Myles firing we will start taking teams to the cleaners. Will make us so less lopsided if the middle 2 have 2 options they can trust.

yeah that would be terrific

 

[bennyb]

Good post David. Spot on. Everyone does have the right to make their choice and also to change their mind as and when performances and results change like the wind. It's always been the way in football. I saw a picture that amused me last night of a 'Thorne In The Side' banner with 'Don't Go Webby' scrawled across it lol. As things change so do opinions and as you say, this shouldn't divide us. Nor should we be too stubborn to have flexible opinions .

 

[hypa123]

Oh dear, think you should have given a slightly better example.

You're right - I have to put my hand up to that one. I'm spending too much time reading the front pages of the newspapers.

But my main point remains : a manager should be given a decent run of games in charge before conclusions can be drawn as to whether he's incapable or whether it's other factors such as injuries, tired players or sheer bad luck that is the cause of poor results.

And in the case of a manager like Andy Scott who has proved his mettle, I'd suggest that he deserves well over half a season before being subjected to the kind of barracking Scott was getting until recently (and is still getting from some quarters).

It's too easy to sway with the wind and say the manager's got to go because the results aren't coming and then turn around and say you back him simply because the situation has improved. I'd say that fans whose opinions change so readily should try a little introspection.

And fans who think their comments on the GPG have any relation whatsoever with what has been happening on the pitch are simply deluded.

 

[vcmazz]

It's too easy to sway with the wind and say the manager's got to go because the results aren't coming and then turn around and say you back him simply because the situation has improved.

Welcome to football fella .

 

[detours]

And fans who think their comments on the GPG have any relation whatsoever with what has been happening on the pitch are simply deluded.

It's absolutely astonishing how some people on here can be completely unconstructive, and then take credit for the recent upturn in our fortunes. I don't know if it is ironic half the time, it is hard to tell. I think that the english language really does need a sarcasm mark, just for internet forums.

 

[vcmazz]

It's absolutely astonishing how some people on here can be completely unconstructive, and then take credit for the recent upturn in our fortunes. I don't know if it is ironic half the time, it is hard to tell. I think that the english language really does need a sarcasm mark, just for internet forums.

Agreed. I was certainly taking the piss when I suggested it lol. Having said that, poor performances and results always have and always will lead to supporter pressure and a 'backs to the wall' mentality which often has the effect we have seen recently. Supporters can not seriously take credit, but to say that supporter pressure has had no effect (GPG or no GPG) is naive in my opinion :shrug:.

 

[Chopper]

Well congratulations are due to AS its refreshing to see football being played but we really need to kick on because I think everyone agrees we have the squad to be a real force in this league.

 

[DavidgRushden]

You're right - I have to put my hand up to that one. I'm spending too much time reading the front pages of the newspapers.

But my main point remains : a manager should be given a decent run of games in charge before conclusions can be drawn as to whether he's incapable or whether it's other factors such as injuries, tired players or sheer bad luck that is the cause of poor results.

And in the case of a manager like Andy Scott who has proved his mettle, I'd suggest that he deserves well over half a season before being subjected to the kind of barracking Scott was getting until recently (and is still getting from some quarters).

It's too easy to sway with the wind and say the manager's got to go because the results aren't coming and then turn around and say you back him simply because the situation has improved. I'd say that fans whose opinions change so readily should try a little introspection.

And fans who think their comments on the GPG have any relation whatsoever with what has been happening on the pitch are simply deluded.

The point has to be made that a sudden upturn in fortunes doesn't mean that those who were unhappy have changed their minds to backing him simply because the situation has improved.As others who have been long standing supporters over many decades have stated that they are fed up with the standard of playing and have experienced too much of it before. I would agree with them, especially after 59 years of "hopefulness".I hope AS can continue the recent form and the newer improved style of play,but still believe AS is no longer the long term answer.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

It's absolutely astonishing how some people on here can be completely unconstructive, and then take credit for the recent upturn in our fortunes. I don't know if it is ironic half the time, it is hard to tell. I think that the english language really does need a sarcasm mark, just for internet forums.

Not so sure, if you think that the powers that be don't read this thing and use it then I know you are way off the mark.
I told them to sign David Nugent when he was a kid, I told them to sign Nicky Bailey when he was in his mum's womb and they didn't listen. I then told them for ages to sign Charlie Mac, they learnt but they learnt the hard way.
Seriously the top honchos always read this site and they would be mental not to, that is a compliment to all by the way.

Also Muff and MK shed players and we strengthen, new Brentford flexing their muscle I'm afraid. Remember when we had to accept paltry offers whilst other teams got another player or two in under MA, Webb and others, it feels good.

 

[wanderer paul]

Not so sure, if you think that the powers that be don't read this thing and use it then I know you are way off the mark.
I told them to sign David Nugent when he was a kid, I told them to sign Nicky Bailey when he was in his mum's womb and they didn't listen. I then told them for ages to sign Charlie Mac, they learnt but they learnt the hard way.
Seriously the top honchos always read this site and they would be mental not to, that is a compliment to all by the way.

Also Muff and MK shed players and we strengthen, new Brentford flexing their muscle I'm afraid. Remember when we had to accept paltry offers whilst other teams got another player or two in under MA, Webb and others, it feels good.

Where are the doubters now? eh?

Maybe they'll all listen one day and erect a statue in your honour............ But get KetteringBee as the 'model' as I don't think we're ready for a 'monster' :jester:

 

[Carri Bee Un]

The GPG runs brentford. We are the puppet masters. A shadowy cabal that directs the bees wiith an iron grip. Don't let all this MB and BU stuff fool you. They are our tools on our path to world domination.

By the power of greyskull I direct BFC to stay at Griffin Park for the next few years and not build a new ground on Lionel road. :mwahahahhahahahahaaaaa:

 

[vcmazz]

The GPG runs brentford. We are the puppet masters. A shadowy cabal that directs the bees wiith an iron grip. Don't let all this MB and BU stuff fool you. They are our tools on our path to world domination.

By the power of greyskull I direct BFC to stay at Griffin Park for the next few years and not build a new ground on Lionel road. :mwahahahhahahahahaaaaa:

Thanks for that CBU. I can go ahead with the lease on the Princess Royal now . Can you lend me thirty grand?

 

[clad1]

Check out this link to Richmond and Twickenham Times, Charlie Mc thinks AS is doing ok:

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtim.../8689902.Macca__Scott_is_Bees_miracle_worker/

 

[BuzzBeeSi]

We're back to square one of course if we fail to beat Notts County lol

 

[Banana]

Check out this link to Richmond and Twickenham Times, Charlie Mc thinks AS is doing ok:

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtim.../8689902.Macca__Scott_is_Bees_miracle_worker/

“The manager is a big boy and taking criticism is part of the job. It is never going to phase him."

lol

 

[NorthamptonBee]

We're back to square one of course if we fail to beat Notts County lol

The stupid thing is that you're right.
It sounds stoopid but our poor start means that we have to keep winning for a while as two non-winning games will see us back looking over our shoulder again.

We beat Tranny 3-0 and they've been on a good run since, we wouldn't beat them 3-0 with their current team playing but it has been noted that we beat a good side by many. On the flip side, two 1-4 defeats suffered by MK since they destroyed us makes bad reading, we can't drop points against poor outfits like MK if we really want to give this a go, taking maximum points off Plymouth and Colchester make up for that blip but they really should be bonus points on top of us dealing with the weaker sides. Forget MK's league position as they really are not too hot this season IMO.
There is not a side in this league that we can't deal with and should worry us if we turn up and play.

 

[abee]

“The manager is a big boy and taking criticism is part of the job. It is never going to phase him."

lol

.......and I always thought it was 'faze'.

 

[clad1]

.......and I always thought it was 'faze'.

Obviously the writer is a Star Trek fan.

 

[abee]

Obviously the writer is a Star Trek fan.

Probably and with English as his second language.

 

[SmiffyBee]

We're back to square one of course if we fail to beat Notts County lol

When were we at square one ?

What does that even mean ?

If we lose at home and the performance isn't great against Notts County, that will be a bit of a knock back, but a couple more wins straight after and we are in the mix for the play offs

 

[BuzzBeeSi]

When were we at square one ?

What does that even mean ?

If we lose at home and the performance isn't great against Notts County, that will be a bit of a knock back, but a couple more wins straight after and we are in the mix for the play offs

Do you really need it explaining to you?

This is square one:

https://griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85902

 

[SmiffyBee]

Do you really need it explaining to you?

This is square one:

https://griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85902

Square one was surely on the first day of the season, in Carlisle, if anywhere.

Defeat at home by MK Dons put us back to square 6 or 7 in my book of squares, soon to be published and launched by Wally Downes, at the Inverness Lodge

 

[Malcybee]

Square One - Origin and Meaning

Scott In!!!

Back to square one

Meaning

Back to the beginning, to start again.

Origin

The most widely reported suggestions for the origin of this phrase are BBC sports commentaries, board games like snakes and ladders and playground games like hopscotch.

BBC Commentaries:

In order that listeners could follow the progress of the game in radio commentaries the pitch was divided into eight notional squares. Commentators described the play by saying which square the ball was in. The Radio Times, which was and is the BBC's listings guide, refers to the practice in an issue from January 1927.

These commentaries certainly happened and prints of the pitch diagrams still exist. Recordings of early commentaries also exist, including the very first broadcast sports commentary (of a rugby match). That commentary, and many others that followed, referred listeners to the printed maps and a second commentator called out the numbers as the ball moved from square to square. However, at no point in any existing commentary do they use the phrase 'back to square one'.

Despite this, the BBC issued a piece in a January 2007 issue of The Radio Times which celebrated 80 years of BBC football commentary. In this the football commentator John Murray stated with confidence that "Radio Times' grids gave us the phrase 'back to square one'" and that "the grid system ... was dropped in the 1930s (not before the phrase 'back to square one' had entered everyday vocabulary)".

This confidence is despite the fact that, although it could be true, is it nothing but conjecture. What is a fact is that the BBC broadcast a popular etymology series Balderdash and Piffle in collaboration with the OED 2006. This questioned the claim that the BBC commentaries were the source and the claim that the phrase was in circulation in the 1930s.

It's not the first time that BBC commentators have talked balderdash and piffle and I doubt it will be the last. Private Eye made something of a cottage industry out of printing examples of such in their Colemanballs columns and books. (see over the moon).

 

[Nada Bee]

Old Andy should of get better van insurance according to page 82 of today's Sun...