David Raya

[Ashford Bees]

Hope we get rid. He's error prone

Get a grip ffs

 

[Gee Bee]

Also. The toxic replies to my post is a downside of the the good forum that the GPG is. It's a pity that an expressed view gets met with abuse and name calling. Hopefully it's something that can be dealt with down the line

He’s just won the golden gloves in the division for keeping most clean sheets. He kept another one tonight in 90 minutes. Give Bryan some credit too

 

[Jezybee]

Tom, what you’ll learn is that in all jobs you can end people’s employment for 3 reasons:
I. You no longer require the job they are doing
II. They are such a disruptive influence that having no one is better than having them
III. You know there is better in the market in your price bracket.

I don’t share your view re: Raya. However, even if you were wanting to get rid, I don’t think any of 1-3 are satisfied and so you don’t really have any options.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

I think what's grated people is the suggestion that we need a new goalkeeper because of it, we don't. He's one of the best in the Championship. This is the ceiling on goalkeepers until we do get promoted one day.

We'll be fine, but I think right now isn't the time for us to suggest whole fire changes. We'll lose a few, we'll bring in a few. We'll keep a lot of the spine.

To be fair, even this reasoned post is insulting to Raya!

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Also. The toxic replies to my post is a downside of the the good forum that the GPG is. It's a pity that an expressed view gets met with abuse and name calling. Hopefully it's something that can be dealt with down the line

I've deleted the name calling and will continue to do so. Everything else you'll have to suck up as "alternative opinions to you".

 

[Invipai]

To be fair, even this reasoned post is insulting to Raya!

I didn't mean it to be lol More that every goalkeeper in the Championship won't be perfect, or they'd be in the Prem. I rate him highly and he still has room to grow as do many of our young players. I certainly wouldn't look to change him.

 

[Tom the bee]

I've deleted the name calling and will continue to do so. Everything else you'll have to suck up as "alternative opinions to you".

If reasoned, then of course. Thanks les

 

[AB]

He’s an excellent keeper who fits how we play, has made many saves to get us this far and it is idiocy to lambast him for a couple of mad minutes in extra time tonight.

I know we’re all disappointed but have a word with yourselves if you want to lay it on someone who is feeling this worse than those of us who’ve seen it 8 times before and who we’ll need to bounce back and learn to get even better.

 

[Cham]

Raya saved a SF penalty.. Bryan did him with a great fk..

 

[favershambee]

Disappointed with goal conceded but all goalkeepers make errors which inadvertently cost goals. The facts speak for themselves he won the GOLDEN GLOVES for the season and has proved a massive improvement on Bentley.

 

[beebhoy]

The stats tell the story, Raya and the defence have been very tight. Parker saw an opportunity on how Raya positions himself and it was executed very effectively, no complaints. Raya has been excellent not only in his ability to catch and save but with his fantastic distribution, looking forward to seeing him at LR next season ?

 

[Brentford77]

Yes, he was. But most of the rest of the team didn't turn up. We created nothing all night, were slow, ponderous and devoid of ideas and confidence. This happened in 3 crucial games. THAT is the matter to address, not one lapse in concentration from our best keeper in years.

Based on one mistake, you want him out and a 'more experienced' goalie brought in? Look at some of the rickets that happen in the PL on a regular basis.

A great keeper. Has a howler in him but has saved more then conceded, so has my vote

The stats tell the story, Raya and the defence have been very tight. Parker saw an opportunity on how Raya positions himself and it was executed very effectively, no complaints. Raya has been excellent not only in his ability to catch and save but with his fantastic distribution, looking forward to seeing him at LR next season ?

Well said: he’s been a pleasure to watch the season and has been fantastic from start to finish. He’ll be hurting as much as anyone else right now… Let’s get behind him. He was not the reason we lost the game. Is the best I’ve seen between the sticks for us but hey what do I know, I’ve only been going since 1974

 

[wanderer paul]

The best ‘modern’ footballing keeper I’ve seen at BFC.

 

[unBEEliveable]

Sure it was a mistake for the first goal but I bloody hope we keep him for next season!!!

 

[hatfieldbee]

If reasoned, then of course. Thanks les

Thought you had gone!

 

[JCMcBee]

...he thought wrong tonight.......and bryant was very clever...hey ho.

 

[ruislip bee]

Credit to Fulham for working out that that chance might come up as a possibility in the game and then executing it so well. Couldn't believe it when it drifted in.

 

[Invipai]

Yeah, the more you think about it, from the spotting of the opportunity in analysis and on the pitch, to the execution it's pretty astonishing on their part. We're so good at the 1% edges but they won with one tonight.

 

[jbee]

Credit to Fulham for working out that that chance might come up as a possibility in the game and then executing it so well. Couldn't believe it when it drifted in.

A really clever goal.

 

[BFC1997]

Had a great game today. The goal was what it was - wouldn’t call it an error so much as just being caught out with a clever effort.

 

[North London Bee]

Don't change anything David, you are a wonderful, positive keeper.

 

[Hakonen_72]

Fulham's hero Joe Bryan: 'Scott Parker said to whip it in the near post because the keeper comes ridiculously far off his line'

 

[greenshoots]

Like David,
But sadly got caught out tonight.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Also. The toxic replies to my post is a downside of the the good forum that the GPG is. It's a pity that an expressed view gets met with abuse and name calling. Hopefully it's something that can be dealt with down the line

Oh so we should get rid of the mods and Raya.
My you have a high opinion of yourself,

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Had a great game today. The goal was what it was - wouldn’t call it an error so much as just being caught out with a clever effort.

It was both an error and a very clever piece of opportunism. It’s something that the goalkeeping coach should have spotted and advised Raya about. It cost us but he’s the best keeper we’ve had for a good while.

 

[Vid]

I like David. He has produced game winning saves all season. As most keepers do he has made a few c0ck ups too. Nørgaard took one for the team when a Raya header put himself in trouble. However without the penalty save v Swansea we would not have got to Wembley.

 

[Aussie Bee]

I hope the vultures stay away from him - he is the best keeper in the championship - however I note Chelsea look in need of another goalie so an approach for him would not surprise me

 

[josht]

Interesting to hear that Fulham had worked on that set piece in training after noting that Raya has really aggressive positioning on free kicks

 

[Delbee]

Had a great game today. The goal was what it was - wouldn’t call it an error so much as just being caught out with a clever effort.

Yes as I’ve said elsewhere Raya, Jansson and the set piece coach got caught out . In my mind you should always have a least one player blocking of that route to goal

 

[Leonardo]

Brilliant keeper. May be the last we see of him but depends if he wants to be a bench warmer and earning more money in the Prem or be a regular starter

 

[Brentford_till_die]

Yes as I’ve said elsewhere Raya, Jansson and the set piece coach got caught out . In my mind you should always have a least one player blocking of that route to goal

yep, should never be able to score from where he did fair play to the fulscum ****er for pulling it off

 

[magicbees]

You live or die with his style of goalkeeping, he scares the crap out of me every game. Don't blame him for last night, we were just running on empty.

 

[Frothybaby]

Best I have seen for the way we play. If there is better at a price that works for us, then I think it will happen. If there isn't then it won't. The number of errors has reduced compared to his Rovers days, and he has been superb at times for us.

 

[BeeHomeSoon]

He anticipated the ball being crossed?
Over the years when I was a keeper I was caught out in a similar fashion a couple of times.

Bryan could have tried the same thing another 10 times and he’d either have placed it in Rayas arms or missed the target completely...it’s a percentage game being a keeper. You try to anticipate the most likely scenario.

Sadly on this occasion the less likely scenario occurred.

That is the joys of being a keeper.

I guess we could revert back to a Button, Bentley etc who seem sh*t scared coming off their line to deal with crosses and come with such lack of conviction it creates uncertainty and ultimately costs us more goals

 

[grutter]

He anticipated the ball being crossed?
Over the years when I was a keeper I was caught out in a similar fashion a couple of times.

Bryan could have tried the same thing another 10 times and he’d either have placed it in Rayas arms or missed the target completely...it’s a percentage game being a keeper. You try to anticipate the most likely scenario.

Sadly on this occasion the less likely scenario occurred.

That is the joys of being a keeper.

I guess we could revert back to a Button, Bentley etc who seem sh*t scared coming off their line to deal with crosses and come with such lack of conviction it creates uncertainty and ultimately costs us more goals

You're pushing at an open door there, mate.

I think it's only Tom and maybe one other on this thread that would like Raya moved on. An 'experienced' keeper was mentioned. What about Joe Hart? Or De Gea? They're very experienced, have played for PL champions & never make mistakes!

 

[hanworthbee]

Been excellent this season but totally screwed up last night

 

[AB]

Been excellent this season but totally screwed up last night

He made some good saves that kept us in it in normal time. For the goal, I’m more inclined to blame him for having led to the free kick being given away (He did not need to have been so far out of his area to head out) than for the goal itself which was defended according to a team plan but a plan Which Fulham had obviously anticipated and had an exploit for.

 

[kevalutonbee]

[Joe Bryan on Radio 5 this morning ]On his free-kick to open the scoring: "I know it sounds like a cliche but I knew I was going to score as soon as they gave the free kick, it was something we had worked on all week.

"Scott [Parker] called me over and tried to do a bit of kidology, saying ‘cross it in', when actually he was shouting into my ear to shoot."[/QUOTE]

Unless he is being metaphorical, goven the cauldron of noise the Wembley wasn't, how come seemingly no one either heard it or reacted to it?

 

[BeeHomeSoon]

You're pushing at an open door there, mate.

I think it's only Tom and maybe one other on this thread that would like Raya moved on. An 'experienced' keeper was mentioned. What about Joe Hart? Or De Gea? They're very experienced, have played for PL champions & never make mistakes!

It was aimed at those posters.

I’m steering clear of Facebook groups and Twitter as I cannot deal with some of the nonsense that will and make inevitably been posted there...lol

 

[Jam Jar]

Raya has been rock solid all season. My worry is the mental side of things. What will a mistake of this magnitude do to his confidence and performances next season? And to those who say we need to replace him? Who?

 

[TW3Bee]

lol defend him if you want

He was at fault for the goal

His positioning was at fault.
Fulham had said they knew he stood off his line for free kicks from that position, is that down to Raya, or something we'd been working on in training, expecting the ball to be crossed into the box.

 

[TW3Bee]

If you're going to abuse each other. would you mind doing it on Twitter please?

 

[TW3Bee]

Interesting to hear that Fulham had worked on that set piece in training after noting that Raya has really aggressive positioning on free kicks

Strange that no other clubs have seen this.

 

[Ken_Hom's_Wok]

We don't need 'fans' like you.

Don't feed the troll

 

[Ealing Bee]

Agree. I don’t think I’ve actually seen a free kick hit that well in that cheeky way since Gary McAllister tried it all those years ago.

Of course it was extremely well executed - any free kick from that range pretty much has to be.

But we weren't beaten last nght by an "unstoppable" free kick, nor was it the sort of fumble or slip which any gk can sometimes make. Rather it was because our gk made a basic tactical error, in this case his positioning.

And as Bryan himself said, Fulham had spotted prior to the game and he practiced how to exploit it.

So that had DR positioned himself more conventionally (i.e. closer to his line and to his right), Bryan wouldn't even have tried to beat him from there.

It’s not his fault.

Only in the sense that this wasn't some idea which DR suddenly took upon himself to try out. He must have discussed it with his goalkeeping coach, plus the other defensive coaches.

And as such, they all got it wrong collectively.

Horribly so.

 

[gbems92]

I think his position was fine, the ball wasnt THAT far to his right, it seemed more his concentration/anticipation that cost us. Its like he hasnt even considered it an option that they would go for goal. By the time he sorted his mind and feet out to go the opposite way it was too late. One to learn from, just a shame it was such a costly lapse

 

[Ealing Bee]

Strange that no other clubs have seen this.

Some might have, while other, less well organised ones might not have.

And even with the smarter ones, this is only DR's first season at BFC, so it might not have been obvious until well into the season i.e. after they'd already played us once.

Thereafter they might not have got a free kick in that position in the return game from which to test the weakness, and/or didn't have a player like Bryan capable of exploiting it.

But you can be damned sure that if DR persists with that positioning next season, they'll all be lining up to try it!

 

[TW3Bee]

Some might have, while other, less well organised ones might not have.

And even with the smarter ones, this is only DR's first season at BFC, so it might not have been obvious until well into the season i.e. after they'd already played us once.

Thereafter they might not have got a free kick in that position in the return game from which to test the weakness, and/or didn't have a player like Bryan capable of exploiting it.

But you can be damned sure that if DR persists with that positioning next season, they'll all be lining up to try it!

The Set piece coach should be all over it now.

 

[Ealing Bee]

I think his position was fine, the ball wasnt THAT far to his right, it seemed more his concentration/anticipation that cost us. Its like he hasnt even considered it an option that they would go for goal. By the time he sorted his mind and feet out to go the opposite way it was too late. One to learn from, just a shame it was such a costly lapse

Sorry, but his positioning was awful, like locking the front door, while leaving the back door wide open.

Or put it this way, do you think Bryan would have beaten him from that range had he been two steps back and a step to his (DR's) right? Not a hope, in fact Bryan wouldn't even have tried it.

It's only natural in the midst of crushing disappointment to try to "explain" or downplay an error like that, esp for a player who has been so excellent otherwise.

But sometimes you've just got to accept the most obvious conclusion. Which was that with our defenders holding such a high line at free kicks like that, DR was required to position himself further forward and towards the back post than most gk's do, meaning that he left more of a gap at his near post than normal.

And Fulham spotted it and exploited it.

 

[Brentford77]

Sorry, but his positioning was awful, like locking the front door, while leaving the back door wide open.

Or put it this way, do you think Bryan would have beaten him from that range had he been two steps back and a step to his (DR's) right? Not a hope, in fact Bryan wouldn't even have tried it.

It's only natural in the midst of crushing disappointment to try to "explain" or downplay an error like that, esp for a player who has been so excellent otherwise.

But sometimes you've just got to accept the most obvious conclusion. Which was that with our defenders holding such a high line at free kicks like that, DR was required to position himself further forward and towards the back post than most gk's do, meaning that he left more of a gap at his near post than normal.

And Fulham spotted it and exploited it.

He could have got away with his starting position if he didn't anticipate a cross. He shifted his weight forward and left when the ball was struck to give himself an extra half a yard to come for it. And that fatally undermined him. Once you shift your body weight one way, the time it takes to reverse that is too long. From that instant, he was stuffed. Had he clocked the trajectory of the ball before making his move, he would have comfortably saved it.