Five-year rolling TAPs model??

[Untouchable]

im sure he was "Just browsing..."

 

[Banana]

Yes, its probably just Bournemouth this season that's a problem.

You forgot Fulham

 

[JPince]

You forgot Fulham

That went right down the TAPS didnt it, TV and Friday night, 2500 ?

 

[80s Bee]

That went right down the TAPS didnt it, TV and Friday night, 2500 ?

How many U14s do you know with 2500+ taps?

 

[guilly]

To be fair, given the level of discussions here between people with trillions of TAPs, it's probably better to keep trying to engage kids with cup games like Plymouth or Sheffield Wed... Those game were terrible from the football point of view, but the stands looked full of future.

 

[Truth_hurts]

To be fair, given the level of discussions here between people with trillions of TAPs, it's probably better to keep trying to engage kids with cup games like Plymouth or Sheffield Wed... Those game were terrible from the football point of view, but the stands looked full of future.

With an atmosphere to match ?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

To be fair, given the level of discussions here between people with trillions of TAPs, it's probably better to keep trying to engage kids with cup games like Plymouth or Sheffield Wed... Those game were terrible from the football point of view, but the stands looked full of future.

There was a lot of negative feedback to those games on here.

 

[JPince]

How many U14s do you know with 2500+ taps?

I don't even think the 5 year rolling taps will fix that. Fans 'deserving to go' out strips supply.
If not TAPS, what ?

 

[80s Bee]

I don't even think the 5 year rolling taps will fix that. Fans 'deserving to go' out strips supply.
If not TAPS, what ?

Don’t know. I’m sure a lot of thought has gone in to it so let’s see what they come up with.

 

[Sheerwater Bee]

Unless I'm getting this wrong, haven't gone through the whole read. This really only affects the very rare occasion when we play a muff or Luton and have a very small allocation. I believe that for most away games now, anyone that has been to a couple of away/home games and is a member will always get a ticket. Big fuss about nothing as those very rare occasions like Luton last year, only those with 6K+ taps will ever get a ticket. And rightly so

 

[westendbee]

Why don’t we try a Chairman Mao style cultural revolution and let TAP holders with say 100 - 1,000 TAPs have first dibs, then 1,001 - 2,000 etc?

 

[daddybee]

Might as well bin my Barrow ticket stub now

 

[kaebess]

The problem for me has always been the imbalance. As I wrote earlier, my daughter has been to all the same matches that I have for the last ten years but she is always two windows behind me when it comes to away tickets and that will never change under the current system. Fulham and Bournemouth - the two widely used examples - little or no chance so how is that fair on a supporter who has been going to games since she was 10. I'm glad that unfairness is going.

I don't go to as many away games as some of the esteemed on here so I'm sure they will stay ahead of me and rightly so. It just means when I am eligible, I can buy tickets for all of us regulars who go.

Easy answer is for you to stop going For a few years.Your daughter can go by herself and when she does catch you up, you can both start going again

 

[Wise old Bee]

Might as well bin my Barrow ticket stub now

I think we should be able to swap our Barrow stubs for a BFC Gold All-Games Guarantee card. Some things transcend TAPs.

 

[Lozza]

"The move to a rolling model will benefit families ....."

My 10 year supporting daughter will now be in the same tier as her 15 year supporting brother and me - her 55 year supporting dad. We two longer termers might be slightly worse off (details unknown right now) but given she's been to every game we both have ever since she started going, it's only fair that she's at the same level as us - there is a massive gap right now that will never be bridged in my lifetime. I doubt anyone who still goes on a very regular basis is going to miss out at all here.

It's a very good point; I take for granted that although I'm always in Tranche 1, I have to await Tranche 2 to go with my daughter who had a GP ST aged 6 (and still does). We've always got to the games we want, but seems odd that we aren't in the same Tranche - just hope I'm not relegated too far down the pecking order

 

[Banana]

It's a very good point; I take for granted that although I'm always in Tranche 1, I have to await Tranche 2 to go with my daughter who had a GP ST aged 6 (and still does). We've always got to the games we want, but seems odd that we aren't in the same Tranche - just hope I'm not relegated too far down the pecking order

Assuming she’s not 7 now, I suspect you’ll be in the same tranche.

 

[horshambees]

I assume you don't have kids in school age? Try doing Newcastle, Manchester or Liverpool away midweek, even Wolves and Villa or the likes of Colchester are challenging

I have a son in school age (10) who could not make Villa,Fulham and Chelsea away in the league and Colchester and Newcastle in the Cup.
Season ticket holder and 3300 Taps in his name and going week in week out.
He will,more than likely,miss Muff and The Toon away between now and the final game at Wolverhampton and possibly miss Ipswich depending on sales windows.
Its a challenge,but trust me it can be done.
The biggest difficulty is buying a ticket just for him when i can and the club do not like selling him a single ticket despite me already buying mine.

 

[Mikey Bee]

I think that the only solution is that once TAPS holder hit a certain threshold, they go through a ceremony as a reward for their long service. This ceremony will be known as Carrousel.

In recognition of one of our most dedicated fans, I propose that we call this process Logan's Run.

 

[Justybfc]

I was just browsing the club’s website and came across an update from the Ticket Access Points (TAPs) Working Group regarding the proposed five-year rolling TAPs model. From what I can see, there was general agreement in September’s last meeting among fan groups that this system would reward high-attendance fans and allow families attending away games together to stay in similar TAPs windows.

I know there was talk about potential changes to the TAPs system, especially after the Luton game, but I hadn’t heard anything official until now. It looks like this might have been approved, but I’m not entirely sure.

Does anyone know more details about this? Is this just a recommendation, or will it definitely be implemented next year? Could it even affect season tickets?

This meeting happened five months ago, and I haven’t noticed any further communication with fans. Has anyone heard anything more?
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I would be sad if this was true as the bulk of my attendances were during the League One Promotion season and the Championship days
Having said that, I guess consistency is key

Still it would be nice to keep more of Old Brentford

 

[Griffingreen]

Might as well bin my Barrow ticket stub now

But keep your Workington ticket stub, they're even more valuable

 

[Truth_hurts]

Big fuss about nothing as those very rare occasions like Luton last year, only those with 6K+ taps will ever get a ticket. And rightly so

Rightly so, yes.
And that’s precisely why there is a bit of discontent with these new ideas, because when these rare occasions do come about, that ticket status is no more.

 

[80s Bee]

Rightly so, yes.
And that’s precisely why there is a bit of discontent with these new ideas, because when these rare occasions do come about, that ticket status is no more.

How do you know that when no details have been announced?

 

[Lozza]

Assuming she’s not 7 now, I suspect you’ll be in the same tranche.

Ta. I'm not sure a season ticket at GP last year would have been much use though.

 

[Paul_T]

Is there any easy way to understand how many TAPS I've accumulated in last five seasons or how many I'd lose? And how would new thresholds be set?

 

[Edmundo]

Is there any easy way to understand how many TAPS I've accumulated in last five seasons or how many I'd lose? And how would new thresholds be set?

Maybe that will be in the comms that no-one is waiting for before going into blind panic mode?

 

[Paul_T]

Maybe that will be in the comms that no-one is waiting for before going into blind panic mode?

Maybe ??

 

[Banana]

Is there any easy way to understand how many TAPS I've accumulated in last five seasons or how many I'd lose? And how would new thresholds be set?

Yes. Wait.

 

[MaidenheadBee]

I go to most away games and there are always young supporters , just saying ??

 

[MaidenheadBee]

Another point, in league one and the championship , not so many

 

[Brentford_till_die]

I'm not at all sure what the problem is here. What exactly are BIAS/BU/Club trying to achieve? Are we creating an industry to fix something that ain't broke?

• Pretty much anyone who wants to go can already get a ticket for 95% of our games.
• We already have a lot of new fans and who cares if they are Mohammed, Sven, Paddy, John or Sally. (Although, maybe let Rupert head off to the Cottage). I'd love ALL Bees to be passionate and vocal and make the GTech a cauldron but otherwise, I'm just happy that they have chosen the same club that I did.
• For those 5% of games (maybe one or two a season), like Bournemouth away, where demand will outstrip supply, the the 1,000 (for example) with the highest TAPs rightly get first dibs.
• For the other 95% of our games there is a great opportunity to build your TAPs.

Come on people, we aren't selling our allocation for many away games and rather sadly don't even take the full allocation for some. It's only a few years ago we weren't even selling out for a trip to the Bush.

Let's not waste a whole lot of time and energy "fixing" a non-problem

 

[Sheerwater Bee]

No assumption at all on my part old chap. All the assumption has been from you.

There are valid and practical reasons why they CAN'T attend every game BUT tickets will be available to them for EVERY game bar one or maybe two per season. My point, as ably demonstrated in my own example, is that it is entirely possible for a child of school age to have plenty of TAPs.

Doesn't really matter to me what the comms are on this. The premise for starting any 'get well' project is to actually have a problem to resolve in the first place. I personally don't think we have......

 

[badgerbee]

Doesn't really matter to me what the comms are on this. The premise for starting any 'get well' project is to actually have a problem to resolve in the first place. I personally don't think we have......

What if the comms explain what the problem is?
From the perspective of someone whose situation is different to yours......

 

[NZ Bee]

I think I'd be one of the very few fans to be negatively affected by this.

Had a season ticket for 10 years or so from 2012 until 2022 - had to give it up just before we got promoted into the prem, and haven't been able to renew it yet. I go to 1-2 games a year and normally get my pick of which games those are (usually less glamorous ones because I am sick and twisted). Might struggle in future, but I understand the proposal (what we have been able to understand thus far) and it seems fair and sensible to me.

 

[Truth_hurts]

Yes but @Truth_hurts has never been. #truthhurts

And how would you know that?

 

[AB]

I think I'd be one of the very few fans to be negatively affected by this.

Had a season ticket for 10 years or so from 2012 until 2022 - had to give it up just before we got promoted into the prem, and haven't been able to renew it yet. I go to 1-2 games a year and normally get my pick of which games those are (usually less glamorous ones because I am sick and twisted). Might struggle in future, but I understand the proposal (what we have been able to understand thus far) and it seems fair and sensible to me.

Even at that level of attendance now you should easily maintain your ability to buy Cat A home tickets and even with a lot of pre 21-22 TAPs at the moment you have come below all STs for away tickets since then. So you will see a big drop in TAPs but no real change. The point it would have an impact would be if you started coming regularly enough to want a ST. But the number of TAPs to qualify for a ST under the new system is quite likely be substantially lower.

 

[BEEcool]

Genuine loyalty doesn’t have an expiry and not should TAPs IMHO

 

[Sheerwater Bee]

What if the comms explain what the problem is?
From the perspective of someone whose situation is different to yours......

I'll digest it, but am struggling to see any scenario where's there's such a big problem that we need a total revamp and hours & hours of many people's time devising one.

However, I've seen it many times in my business where people have invented so called problems to suit their agenda. We'll see

 

[badgerbee]

Genuine loyalty doesn’t have an expiry and not should TAPs IMHO

Out of interest, what's your criteria for "genuine" loyalty?
How do you measure/evidence it?

 

[rebus]

Genuine loyalty doesn’t have an expiry and not should TAPs IMHO

Going to games and loyalty are two different things.

 

[LongLostBee]

I think that the only solution is that once TAPS holder hit a certain threshold, they go through a ceremony as a reward for their long service. This ceremony will be known as Carrousel.

In recognition of one of our most dedicated fans, I propose that we call this process Logan's Run.

How about people above 5000 taps get a gold season ticket
(or in these colours: https://www.thekitman.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/img_6579-1-1024x576.jpg - I'm still slightly grumpy they seemed to sell out of most of the apparel in these colours and never ordered any more - at least whenever I checked - looks "swish" to me )

 

[AB]

Maybe the From Day One board could be refreshed by ordering the names by TAPs held on 12/8/21.

 

[BEEcool]

Out of interest, what's your criteria for "genuine" loyalty?
How do you measure/evidence it?

I don’t really know, I was just feeling philosophical about TAPs.

 

[badgerbee]

I don’t really know, I was just feeling philosophical about TAPs.

Fair enough.
Tricky thing to judge/put a value on though isn't it??

 

[Ashfordbees]

Hopefully the emails come out quickly this week and everyone will know where they stand. Hopefully it will also indicate what tranche you will roughly be in. I’m a person that just likes to know tbh, that helps me process. Hopefully the fact that I do every home game and around 10/19 away games a season, hopefully the changes will have little affect on me.

 

[hobbsy]

Hopefully the emails come out quickly this week and everyone will know where they stand. Hopefully it will also indicate what tranche you will roughly be in. I’m a person that just likes to know tbh, that helps me process. Hopefully the fact that I do every home game and around 10/19 away games a season, hopefully the changes will have little affect on me.

I'm pretty confident you can drop the hopefully.

 

[Griffingreen]

Genuine loyalty doesn’t have an expiry and not should TAPs IMHO

Might not expire, but it can diminish whilst others can increase (not sure what that actually adds to your comment )

 

[horshambees]

Maybe the From Day One board could be refreshed by ordering the names by TAPs held on 12/8/21.

No doubt there is a record of TAPs held since 2021 and prior to that and it would be nice to see if they have it as accurate as you hope so.
I have had to chase some up in that time,but if i had not then you could be well short of your amount.

 

[guilly]

Its a challenge,but trust me it can be done.

Yes, I know it can be done, we had done and do a few every year. But from "can be done" to use it supporting an argument like "kids can attend all the home and away games for 5 years", well it's a bit of a stretch IMO.

 

[hobbsy]

No doubt there is a record of TAPs held since 2021 and prior to that and it would be nice to see if they have it as accurate as you hope so.
I have had to chase some up in that time,but if i had not then you could be well short of your amount.

The SecuTix data is a mess.

 

[Banana]

The SecuTix data is a mess.

Not surprised with Kurt’s adjustments all over it.