Managerial Changes Thread 2017 / 2018

[Plymouth Bee]

Is this true, or have you just seen the Get West London headline which I think was just one of their New Year predictions? Haven't seen it reported elsewhere.

Not on the BBC News website

 

[Gee Bee]

I think Monk without Pep might be the problem...

Clotet wasn't with him all along though was he? Thought Monks best results were at start when Curtis was his main assistant.

 

[jlove]

Is this true, or have you just seen the Get West London headline which I think was just one of their New Year predictions? Haven't seen it reported elsewhere.

It does, indeed, appear to be fake news.

 

[Humblebee]

Is this true, or have you just seen the Get West London headline which I think was just one of their New Year predictions? Haven't seen it reported elsewhere.

Along with QPR being above us by 2 Jan. To$$ers.

 

[A Real Mysteron]

Get West London is to journalism, what Stephen Hawking is to hang gliding.

 

[TW3Bee]

Pulis new Middlesbrough manager.

 

[GP200]

Pulis new Middlesbrough manager.

.............expansive tippy tappy football then..............

 

[wanderer paul]

Blimey. Sees more chance of PL football with Boro than Swansea and obviously overlooked for the Wales job!

Let’s see how good how is and his brand of football is in the Championship!

 

[A Real Mysteron]

If they thought Karanka's football was negative, boy are they going to love Pulis.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

If they thought Karanka's football was negative, boy are they going to love Pulis.

I don't think he's as negative as Karanka was. More industrial, maybe.
'Boro's priority is simply to return to the Premiership.
They can ditch him if, once they're there, it doesn't work out.
Good appointment, all things considered.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Swansea appoint the annoying whining Carlos Carvalhal.

 

[sonofabee]

Swansea appoint the annoying whining Carlos Carvalhal.

Strange, unsuccessful at Championship level despite massive funds and so Swansea appoint him to keep them in the league above, go figure?

 

[AB]

Strange, unsuccessful at Championship level despite massive funds and so Swansea appoint him to keep them in the league above, go figure?

Very odd. Perhaps the thinking is that after half a season of that the fans will get over their "must play the Swansea way" and be more open to Pulis joining to get them promoted after he's been sacked after taking Boro up.

Or just the typical bizarre thinking of many clubs who haven't a clue what they're doing these days.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Strange, unsuccessful at Championship level despite massive funds and so Swansea appoint him to keep them in the league above, go figure?

Agreed. Very very odd appointment.

 

[hanworthbee]

Getting ready to lose in the play offs next season ....

 

[wibs]

Shteve McLaren- he of the squinty eyes and total lack of recent success, about to take over at Sheffield Wednesday poor sods.

 

[GP200]

Shteve McLaren- he of the squinty eyes and total lack of recent success, about to take over at Sheffield Wednesday poor sods.

.............the merry go round continues..............

 

[Delbee]

Shteve McLaren- he of the squinty eyes and total lack of recent success, about to take over at Sheffield Wednesday poor sods.

Not before this Saturday, we always struggle against a team when is a new managers first game

 

[BerksBee]

Strange, unsuccessful at Championship level despite massive funds and so Swansea appoint him to keep them in the league above, go figure?

More likely Swansea have almost accepted their fate and have appointed a manager with Championship experience to get them back out again!

Let's not forget he took Wednesday to two Championshop play offs, he's no mug.

 

[sonofabee]

More likely Swansea have almost accepted their fate and have appointed a manager with Championship experience to get them back out again!

Let's not forget he took Wednesday to two Championshop play offs, he's no mug.

Possibly but you could have taken them there with the funds he's had.

 

[BerksBee]

Possibly but you could have taken them there with the funds he's had.

Maybe, maybe not. Throwing money at the problem isn't always the answer in the Championship, you need more than that.

Statistically, only one in three relegated Premiership sides get promoted back in their first season. That means two of them languish in the Championship for varying lengths of time. You only need to look at the number of big wealthy clubs currently playing in the Championship and those currently receiving parachute payments to know that money isn't the answer.

I honestly can't remember the statistic, I remember seeing it a while ago, but there's a very high percentage of Championship Clubs who've played top flight football in recent times. We are one of a handful of clubs currently in the Championship who've never played in the top flight in recent times.

The Championship is a very tough division to get out of and luck plays a huge part in achieving it.

I've always liked the way Carvalho set his Wednesday sides up, they're a good blend of experienced pro's and young talent playing attacking football. It remains to be seen how well he gets on at Swansea, but it may turn out to be a shrewd appointment.

Far shrewder in my mind than Wednesday appointing that numpty McClaren, if they appoint him.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Think Carvahal got into a bit of a similar situation to Rosler with us, where he was afraid to let his players off the leash and play with freedom.

I read an interesting article recently which was talking about how Swansea got promoted, and established as a top flight club, playing free flowing, expansive football. The desperation to keep them in the Prem (and to retain the value of the club ahead of the recent sale) has seen them abandon this approach, which has actually dragged them closer to relegation, doing more damage to the value of the club (the very thing they tried to avoid initially). This appointment seems to underline the desperation.

 

[Wise old Bee]

Think Carvahal got into a bit of a similar situation to Rosler with us, where he was afraid to let his players off the leash and play with freedom.

I read an interesting article recently which was talking about how Swansea got promoted, and established as a top flight club, playing free flowing, expansive football. The desperation to keep them in the Prem (and to retain the value of the club ahead of the recent sale) has seen them abandon this approach, which has actually dragged them closer to relegation, doing more damage to the value of the club (the very thing they tried to avoid initially). This appointment seems to underline the desperation.

Swansea originally seemed to have a settled approach with succession planning which, apparently although unproven, had Dennis Bergkamp lined up as Laudrup's eventual successor. They had to appoint Monk hastily which initially appeared to work but their recent appointments have been poor and they look doomed even at half way through the season. I always saw them as a partial influence on BFC what with their new ground and style of football. Shame what's happened to them.

 

[sonofabee]

Think Carvahal got into a bit of a similar situation to Rosler with us, where he was afraid to let his players off the leash and play with freedom.

I read an interesting article recently which was talking about how Swansea got promoted, and established as a top flight club, playing free flowing, expansive football. The desperation to keep them in the Prem (and to retain the value of the club ahead of the recent sale) has seen them abandon this approach, which has actually dragged them closer to relegation, doing more damage to the value of the club (the very thing they tried to avoid initially). This appointment seems to underline the desperation.

I saw Swansea as a brave, gung ho, play the right way type team that worked until they sacked Gary Monk.
Now they're nailed on for Championship next season.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Not before this Saturday, we always struggle against a team when is a new managers first game

Whether he's started or not, the players will be all out to impress him.

 

[freeze]

Warburton sacked by Forest.

 

[GP200]

Warburton sacked by Forest.

..............they have a Plan B..............

 

[Plymouth Bee]

..............they have a Plan B..............

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

 

[PJ]

Sooner or later there will be a call put in seeking permission to talk to DS. Plenty of vacancies about , i'd be amazed if he wasn't on a couple of clubs' radars tbh

 

[Humblebee]

I wonder where the 3 amigos will turn up next....

 

[wanderer paul]

Sooner or later there will be a call put in seeking permission to talk to DS. Plenty of vacancies about , i'd be amazed if he wasn't on a couple of clubs' radars tbh

But as a newspaper said, it’s not just DS, it’s the backtoom staff - DoFs, coaches, analysts etc - that make the complete package. DS could go somewhere and have little impact. Brentford will continue doing it their own way, there will be a replacement, but DS will find it hard somewhere else in the Championship, IMO.

 

[PJ]

But as a newspaper said, it’s not just DS, it’s the backtoom staff - DoFs, coaches, analysts etc - that make the complete package. DS could go somewhere and have little impact. Brentford will continue doing it their own way, there will be a replacement, but DS will find it hard somewhere else in the Championship, IMO.

Agree with you WP but not sure some of the clubs give it as much thought as you have

Having said that if i was a Sheff Weds fan, for example, i'd rather be in for someone on the way up like DS than the likes of McLeish, Lambert , McLaren etc who have all been linked with that job

 

[BerksBee]

But as a newspaper said, it’s not just DS, it’s the backtoom staff - DoFs, coaches, analysts etc - that make the complete package. DS could go somewhere and have little impact. Brentford will continue doing it their own way, there will be a replacement, but DS will find it hard somewhere else in the Championship, IMO.

Absolutely agree.

If Smith has any sense, he'll stay exactly where he is and reject all offers of a move regardless of where they're to.

 

[Jim Rourke]

But as a newspaper said, it’s not just DS, it’s the backtoom staff - DoFs, coaches, analysts etc - that make the complete package. DS could go somewhere and have little impact. Brentford will continue doing it their own way, there will be a replacement, but DS will find it hard somewhere else in the Championship, IMO.

Exactly! Rosler was successful at Brentford. Not elsewhere. Warburton successful at Brentford. Not elsewhere. The common denominator is the Structure. Not the Head Coach / Manager.

DS is an intelligent guy and I am sure is fully aware of this.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

Sooner or later there will be a call put in seeking permission to talk to DS. Plenty of vacancies about , i'd be amazed if he wasn't on a couple of clubs' radars tbh

Guarantee he wouldn't bite.
Forest have an owner with money and little else. The setup is barely there. Ditto Birmingham.

 

[wibs]

Mark Hughes absolutely on the brink...

 

[North London Bee]

Hughes will surely go now.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I don't think Sheffield Wednesday will be appointing their caretaker.

 

[Banana]

I don't think Sheffield Wednesday will be appointing their caretaker.

 

[GP200]

.............not a very happy Christmas for Colin and Cardiff..............

 

[grutter]

I don't think Sheffield Wednesday will be appointing their caretaker.

Clough to Notts Forest? Taken Burton as far as they'll go.

 

[liverbee]

It will take a wedge to shift Smith. My guess is that he'll stick. Not just that he's a good man either.

 

[Judio1999]

Sheffield Wednesday have just appointed their new CEO

She was the second most hated person at Charlton before she resigned this week.

Katrien Miere

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Miere Kat?

 

[scruff puppy pup]

Sheffield Wednesday have just appointed their new CEO

She was the second most hated person at Charlton before she resigned this week.

Katrien Miere

Don't any Bees fans complain about our set-up.
We are so fortunate when you consider the decisions made by other league clubs.

 

[Ealing Bee]

Clough to Notts Forest? Taken Burton as far as they'll go.

According to this, Forest have had 26 managers in the last 20 years!
http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1845&teamTabs=managers

The owner is, shall we say, a colourful character, the senior management is less than (ahem) stable, the team is floundering; their finances can't be too healthy and the expectations of all concerned with the club are perennially "optimistic" (for which read insane).

Whereas Burton are none of those things - quite the opposite, in fact.

Who knows, however, maybe Clough might persuade himself that he's the man finally to turn things round?

Personally I think he'd be madder than a very mad thing on a particularly mad day in Madsville.

 

[Humblebee]

How much longer has Stam got then?

 

[FlyBee]

I wonder where the 3 amigos will turn up next....

Reading.

 

[hatfieldbee]

Reading.

... but only after we play 'em!

 

[hanworthbee]

Pardew can't have long....