Mark Flekken (Closed Thread)

[sussexb]

I thought he had a good game. If you're blaming him for that early goal you need to look up confirmation bias.

 

[The Pipe]

Think keeping goal for Brentford at the moment is a thankless job as the defence is forever changing and certainly looking porous. No fault tonight for either goal

 

[Beecareful]

Clearly his confidence has taken a knock but Flekken's long passing ability is going to be way more important to us now Toney is back. Wissa and Maupay are never going to win many headers competing against defenders.

agree.

if and when Ivan moves on, we need a Watkins / Ivan mk iii to lead the line.

 

[ApolloBeachTone]

No chance with either goal - decent footwork throughout. Still not 100% convinced but he's the best option, so I'm all in on his side !!

 

[longdistancebee]

He was blameless for their second, but I feel that he was not yet focussed on the game for the first. Although Vitaly did f*** it up royally, Flekken did seem to just stand there and watch it fly by. However - and a big however - my seat is in N126, so i have yet to see how it looked from behind the goal.

 

[Wilmslow Bee]

He was blameless for their second, but I feel that he was not yet focussed on the game for the first. Although Vitaly did f*** it up royally, Flekken did seem to just stand there and watch it fly by. However - and a big however - my seat is in N126, so i have yet to see how it looked from behind the goal.

You really do need to see that to have a proper view of it. No chance for him.

 

[CTBee]

No chance for either goal. He still concerns me a bit though, seems to gamble on which side a shot is going and takes a little step one way then if it goes the other way he's rooted to the spot

 

[Sting in the Tail]

I’m still not convinced his weight distribution is right. Is he choosing not to dive or is he unable to because of how he plants his feet?

 

[pete72]

Was just a great goal unfortunately , similar to Ghoddos v Burnley

 

[taxi driver]

I thought he had a good game. If you're blaming him for that early goal you need to look up confirmation bias.

In real time it didn't look good from my seat.

However, having seen it after he had no chance.

 

[aawharris]

No chance for either goal. He still concerns me a bit though, seems to gamble on which side a shot is going and takes a little step one way then if it goes the other way he's rooted to the spot

That is my only issue with him, seems to be wrong footed a fair amount (which is probably why he looks rooted to the spot rather than aimlessly diving)

 

[GuyBee]

Was just a great goal unfortunately , similar to Ghoddos v Burnley

For which Trafford dived at fully length and got a touch on it, IIRC

 

[Wilmslow Bee]

That is my only issue with him, seems to be wrong footed a fair amount (which is probably why he looks rooted to the spot rather than aimlessly diving)

I watched the Luton game back recently and he definitely was wrong footed a bit for that goal. But on one angle it looked like the goal scorer wasn't actually aiming for the side that it went in. ??‍

 

[Ken_Hom's_Wok]

Of course every Bees fan wants Flekken do do well. But, imo, he does not inspire confidence, he does not come for crosses, his positioning is somtimes poor and he punches rather than catches
He must also be the most static goalkeeper I have seen in the PL.
Pretty much every goal conceded he remains completely rooted to the turf.
I really think we need better....

Completely agree. It goes without saying that we all want him to do well, and the interview was revealing, but without meaning to be harsh, to be undisputed number one in a premier league football club you have to be one of the best 20, (but realistically 30 - 40) goalkeepers in the world, and he unfortunately isn’t.

I really want him to succeed, but I just can’t see it happening. Toney will win us games, he will lose them.

 

[wokinghambee]

He was blameless for their second, but I feel that he was not yet focussed on the game for the first. Although Vitaly did f*** it up royally, Flekken did seem to just stand there and watch it fly by. However - and a big however - my seat is in N126, so i have yet to see how it looked from behind the goal.

Crowd scene in front of him. He was unsighted.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

He had absolutely zero chance with the first goal

 

[longdistancebee]

You really do need to see that to have a proper view of it. No chance for him.

OK, I'll take that. Need to see the other views.

 

[ChertseyBee]

Will the ****** who sits right at the back of S102 in the south stand and mouths off about Flekken for the entire game, even cheering sarcastically when he catches the ball, please own up if you are on here.

 

[hanworthbee]

The punch in the first half was quiet a good one imo..,he does seem to have no chance with any goal we ever concede though

 

[TadB]

Will the ****** who sits right at the back of S102 in the south stand and mouths off about Flekken for the entire game, even cheering sarcastically when he catches the ball, please own up if you are on here.

He had a mate sitting in the Railway Seats.

 

[taxi driver]

The punch in the first half was quiet a good one imo..,he does seem to have no chance with any goal we ever concede though

I think you have nailed this for me

 

[Idaho Bee]

This is how some of our fans want Flekken to behave, LOL....


View: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/19bjf7x/watford_goalkeeper_attempt_at_saving_shot/?ref=share&ref_source=link

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Just watched motd. Got to be honest, our keeper was positioned not too far from that first goal. It was struck from a fair distance too. I think he should have reacted. I think he could have saved it. Interesting point above about the planting of his feet.

 

[westendbee]

Just wondering, did anyone else think.Turner looked like an absolute p***k diving for that ball he had no chance of getting to?
Im sure he made a few of his fans happy doing it though ?

No one criticised Raya for his supersonic dives when he knew he had no chance of saving a shot … not really sure what your point is, but I’m not a huge fan of a keeper who likes to play statues

 

[ChertseyBee]

I’m not a huge fan of a keeper who likes to play statues

You could always watch Everton, where Pickford the Drama Queen throws himself at shots that are more saveable by spectators in the crowd.

 

[Banana]

Just watched motd. Got to be honest, our keeper was positioned not too far from that first goal. It was struck from a fair distance too. I think he should have reacted. I think he could have saved it. Interesting point above about the planting of his feet.

what??????!

 

[Holysmit]

This is how some of our fans want Flekken to behave, LOL....


View: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/19bjf7x/watford_goalkeeper_attempt_at_saving_shot/?ref=share&ref_source=link

You're clearly new brentford if you don't recognise that's Ben Hamer #fishing

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

what??????!


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Exactly. Needs to be more nimble on his feet.

 

[Banana]

Exactly.

He's in the middle of the f***ing goal! Where to you want him to stand, on the post?

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

He's in the middle of the f***ing goal! Where to you want him to stand, on the post?

Don’t get aggressive please.

 

[big neil]

Be nice if he gave the impression of trying to save shots instead of being rooted to the spot.
It just looks bad, distribution is decent but that’s not a goalies number one priority..

 

[kendo]

Just leave the poor bastard alone those who keep on his case!!

He has had big shoes to fill this season. Once he’s got this one under his belt next season will be better.

The result went our way so not bothered about the two that went in.

 

[pumpkin pie]

He's an average keeper, I can't remember one game where I thought he saved us some points.
No top six team are going to be banging on our door for his services

Neither will a bottom 6 club

 

[brighton bee]

We’ve got a big call to make this summer.

 

[IGYBee]

Just watched motd. Got to be honest, our keeper was positioned not too far from that first goal. It was struck from a fair distance too. I think he should have reacted. I think he could have saved it. Interesting point above about the planting of his feet.

Totally agree. He should and could have reacted better. Maybe not saved but got close. We can and should do better in the summer. He is indeed 'average' at best for the PL: simply not quite good enough.

 

[Banana]

Totally agree. He should and could have reacted better. Maybe not saved but got close. We can and should do better in the summer. He is indeed 'average' at best for the PL: simply not quite good enough.

 

[upnorthbee]

We’ve got a big call to make this summer.

I think we're going to have bigger priorities such as replacing Ivan. I reckon we'd give Flekken another season tbh

 

[Ash]

I have to say without a doubt the Oscar for watching the ball go by with classic posing goes to?

Yup you guessed it: Mark Flekken of Brentford FC

Now, let the “flack” begin! I am a ready.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

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No context.

 

[aslan]

Blaming him his getting really boring and tedious. Vita and Ben Mee had about 5 goes between them at clearing the ball and couldn't get it any further than the fella stood 5 yards outside our box. Rest of the midfield nowhere to be seen and the defence far too slow to react.
Mental how people can watch that series of f***ups and moan about Flekken.

 

[taxi driver]

He's in the middle of the f***ing goal! Where to you want him to stand, on the post?

On this occasion, yes please ?

 

[Nada Bee]

If you want him to dive for the sake of it. Why?

Some keepers know they’re not going to reach it and don’t move at all. Maybe. Just maybe he’s experienced enough to know that he can’t reach it. So what’s the point.

As opposed to. I’ll make a dive I have no chance of reaching?

It actually makes the players goal look sh*tter too when the keeper don’t dive. Maybe he’s a genius!?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I want him to be on his toes, anticipating the action coming up. Sure, he won't save everything including yesterday but the number of times a goal has just been waved in suggest to me that something is awry - his reactions, his concentration - who knows?

 

[Hippobee]

Just watched motd. Got to be honest, our keeper was positioned not too far from that first goal. It was struck from a fair distance too. I think he should have reacted. I think he could have saved it. Interesting point above about the planting of his feet.

Agree. Like you, watched it last night and wouldn't say this was a 'zero chance save' as was described yesterday by many. Of course, the defence are to blame for the goal, but again, he is rooted to the spot with seemingly little anticipation.

I 'm not one for saying dive for the hell of it. But it does seem a remarkable coincidence that every shot lately is 'unstoppable.' The opposition strikers are being very lucky hitting the corners every time!I

Most of our defence are now back, so I'm expecting improvements from both him and them now.

 

[aslan]

Agree. Like you, watched it last night and wouldn't say this was a 'zero chance save' as was described yesterday by many. Of course, the defence are to blame for the goal, but again, he is rooted to the spot with seemingly little anticipation.

I 'm not one for saying dive for the hell of it. But it does seem a remarkable coincidence that every shot lately is 'unstoppable.' The opposition strikers are being very lucky hitting the corners every time!I

Most of our defence are now back, so I'm expecting improvements from both him and them now.

Give PL attackers enough time and space on the ball and they'll find the corners every time

 

[North London Bee]

I want him to be on his toes, anticipating the action coming up. Sure, he won't save everything including yesterday but the number of times a goal has just been waved in suggest to me that something is awry - his reactions, his concentration - who knows?

It’s also the shots that go just wide.

He never seems to make a move towards the ball and I don’t think it’s because he has uncanny levels of anticipation.

Often he seems to put his weight on the other foot so he cannot move towards the ball.

It’s hard to put it into words but it just doesn’t look right.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Give PL attackers enough time and space on the ball and they'll find the corners every time

The keeper should know the ball's going there then.

 

[Mark H]

I want him to be on his toes, anticipating the action coming up. Sure, he won't save everything including yesterday but the number of times a goal has just been waved in suggest to me that something is awry - his reactions, his concentration - who knows?

I noticed this on MOTD in the slow motions, he seems flat footed, on his heels a lot. If we see it so will the gk coach. Hopefully we will see an improvement soon.

 

[cheekybee74]

It’s also the shots that go just wide.

He never seems to make a move towards the ball and I don’t think it’s because he has uncanny levels of anticipation.

Often he seems to put his weight on the other foot so he cannot move towards the ball.

It’s hard to put it into words but it just doesn’t look right.

Indeed. Imagine if the shot by Forest (Mangala I think) had crept inside the post towards the end. I did think initally the first goal he was at fault but to be fair having seen MOTD it was sweet strike and he was relatively unsighted. Janelt shanking his clearance is more culpable for that unfortunate sequence…

 

[aslan]

The keeper should know the ball's going there then.

Over position yourself one way, they'll go the other. The hard life of a goalkeeper