MotD

[BURFORD BEE]

I’ll do it.
I’ve no principles at all.
I knock off work around 7pm if they want to send a car.

Might I suggest that you’ve chosen the right place to live!

 

[longtimeagobee]

Sack the lot of them. I'd rather watch more of the football matches than listen to the pundit tripe.

That’s not really the point though, is it.

 

[beebopalula]

That’s not really the point though, is it.

Jimmy Hill started the pundit tripe road. I see this as an opportunity to revert to the old way of showing football and not listening to drivel.

 

[JCMcBee]

Announced it will go ahead without presenters or pundits, busy just show highlights. Suppose next step will be commentators dropping out?

..... interesting point.... possibly.....just the crowd as background noise..... personally i much preferred the....'and that's three'.... comment from the commentator after MJs goal....to the non commentary on the BFC highlights....imo watching football on telly would be dull without commentary....and dare I say it....pundits.

 

[Banana]

 

[HaylingBee74]

In the event that the commentators booked for tomorrow join in, what would happen then , is it silent movie time?

I would actually watch the football if it was without commentary. No commentary & no analysis aaah perfect Match of the Day with just crowd noise.
I know it won’t happen but tonight I can wish

 

[JCMcBee]

.... he's still got it has AC.....very good.

 

[Rob-BEE]

Announced it will go ahead without presenters or pundits, busy just show highlights. Suppose next step will be commentators dropping out?

It wouldn't surprise me re the commentators. Will probably just take one and the rest will follow. They've got themselves into a right mess with this!

 

[Bee(h)Iver]

Isn't it quite normal to be suspended from your job if you spout off on social media and bring the company into disrepute?

How does expressing a personal view about government policy bring the BBC into disrepute? Whether you agree with Lineker or not this whole circus has now got everyone asking how come he’s being pulled up for what he’s said when others (Sugar, Neill etc) haven’t.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

How does expressing a view about government policy bring the BBC into disrepute? Whether you agree with Lineker or not this whole circus has now got everyone asking how come he’s being pulled up for what he’s said when others (Sugar, Neill etc) haven’t.

There’s a very obvious answer but I can’t say it!

 

[RAF_Patto]

This is worse succession planning than Leeds United, and that's saying something!

 

[JCMcBee]

Perhaps tomorrow's edition of MotD could be co-hosted by BBC chairman Richard Sharp, the Tory donor and Johnson-loan enabler, alongside Gary Lineker, the woke leftie crisp-eating immigrant-lover. What could be more BBC-balanced than that?

.....I haven't checked wiki.... but I wouldn't be certain Mr Sharp is a football man.....so out of his depth perhaps.

 

[beebopalula]

How does expressing a personal view about government policy bring the BBC into disrepute? Whether you agree with Lineker or not this whole circus has now got everyone asking how come he’s being pulled up for what he’s said when others (Sugar, Neill etc) haven’t.

The issue is that the BBC should be impartial.It hasn't got a great record in recent years and this doesn't help their recent efforts to rectify their image.

 

[Newbee]

Would this mean potentially players/managers refusing to talk to the BBC post match??

Haven’t football clubs refused to talk to media outlets before?

 

[Bee(h)Iver]

.....I haven't checked wiki.... but I wouldn't be certain Mr Sharp is a football man.....so out of his depth perhaps.

Well perhaps he can bung someone who knows a bit about footie £400k to get him a pundit job anyway. That seems to be his going rate…

 

[LingfieldBee]

The issue is that the BBC should be impartial.It hasn't got a great record in recent years and this doesn't help their recent efforts to rectify their image.

But isn't that the hilarious thing. Sharp should leave the BBC then, as his actions show he is not impartial.

 

[Wise old Bee]

How does expressing a personal view about government policy bring the BBC into disrepute? Whether you agree with Lineker or not this whole circus has now got everyone asking how come he’s being pulled up for what he’s said when others (Sugar, Neill etc) haven’t.

Lots of BBC reporters and presenters have been warned about posting overtly political tweets in the past.I think Lineker was wholly wrong in comparing the Govt's actions over migrants to what happened in Germany in the 1930s. It was a despicable analogy to make and he crossed the line. It's one thing to champion free speech but not in that form and those supporting his words need to look closely at history.

 

[Guildford Bee]

I don't really need validation from pundits who base their opinion on watching a 5 min highlight reel and probably can't even name most of our players if pushed.

An aside but they just turn up at 10pm and watch the highlights. They’re together all day watching 90 minute matches

 

[Banana]

Would this mean potentially players/managers refusing to talk to the BBC post match??

Haven’t football clubs refused to talk to media outlets before?

No.

You may be thinking the red-nosed chap from Manchester who refused to speak with the BBC over their entirely correct accusations that him recalling MUFC players from Preston when his son was sacked was.....not good.

Instead MUFC fulfilled their legal media obligations by sending his Mexican sidekick out to speak with them instead.

If all PL clubs refuse to speak with the BBC then MotD would simply take the global post-match chat feed

 

[Banana]

Lots of BBC reporters and presenters have been warned about posting overtly political tweets in the past.I think Lineker was wholly wrong in comparing the Govt's actions over migrants to what happened in Germany in the 1930s. It was a despicable analogy to make and he crossed the line. It's one thing to champion free speech but not in that form and those supporting his words need to look closely at history.

What do you think about

* Alan Sugar - with clear racist tweets in addition to highly political ones
* David Attenborough and his claims that HMG must do more re Climate Change
* Andrew Neil who, whilst a BBC employee, ran a right-wing think tank
* Jeremy Clarkson's newspaper columns when hosting Top Gear

?

 

[longtimeagobee]

An aside but they just turn up at 10pm and watch the highlights. They’re together all day watching 90 minute matches

Think you need one of these : ‘Dont’?

 

[Bee(h)Iver]

The issue is that the BBC should be impartial.It hasn't got a great record in recent years and this doesn't help their recent efforts to rectify their image.

To be fair the BBC have been accused of being both too left and too right over the past few years. It’s only natural that their presenters have differing personal viewpoints and in this age of social media it’s virtually impossible for anyone to remain truly neutral, and that’s something the BBC haven’t learnt to deal with.
The problem they have is that on this occasion they have (thanks mainly to the Daily Mail and a few right wing commentators) decided to play hardball and try to get tough. But they have completely misread the room, and this, plus news that they’ve axed one of David Attenborough’s new shows due to its implied criticism of government policy, makes it appear that there is a political agenda driving the decisions. This coupled with legitimate questions around the appointment of their Chairman does far more long term damage than a remark by a sports presenter.

 

[JCMcBee]

Lots of BBC reporters and presenters have been warned about posting overtly political tweets in the past.I think Lineker was wholly wrong in comparing the Govt's actions over migrants to what happened in Germany in the 1930s. It was a despicable analogy to make and he crossed the line. It's one thing to champion free speech but not in that form and those supporting his words need to look closely at history.

.....which country is first to come into your head.... other than the UK(now).....when you think of the action they take over a TV anchorman who speaks out against the government in power.

 

[BEEcool]

No.

You may be thinking the red-nosed chap from Manchester who refused to speak with the BBC over their entirely correct accusations that him recalling MUFC players from Preston when his son was sacked was.....not good.

Instead MUFC fulfilled their legal media obligations by sending his Mexican sidekick out to speak with them instead.

If all PL clubs refuse to speak with the BBC then MotD would simply take the global post-match chat feed

Who was that?

 

[Brentford77]

Lots of BBC reporters and presenters have been warned about posting overtly political tweets in the past.I think Lineker was wholly wrong in comparing the Govt's actions over migrants to what happened in Germany in the 1930s. It was a despicable analogy to make and he crossed the line. It's one thing to champion free speech but not in that form and those supporting his words need to look closely at history.

Wholly disagree. He did not compare the governments actions with what happened in Germany in the 30’s. He said “This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the '30s.” The language is what he highlighted and in respect of it drew parallels to the language of National Socialism.
And yes, I have a degree in European History as it happens and a German spouse so I have some understanding of the context of 1930’s Germany from the Weimar Republic to the Holocaust.

On what he said I and many others wholly agree with him and huge respect to Shearer and Wright.

 

[Mark H]

Apparently commentators may also boycott.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Can’t see that happening, maybe someone from the Beeb might go though ?

That’s exactly what I mean. I assume you’re hinting the decision was coerced from beyond the organisation?

 

[Bee(h)Iver]

Lots of BBC reporters and presenters have been warned about posting overtly political tweets in the past.I think Lineker was wholly wrong in comparing the Govt's actions over migrants to what happened in Germany in the 1930s. It was a despicable analogy to make and he crossed the line. It's one thing to champion free speech but not in that form and those supporting his words need to look closely at history.

He didn’t compare the actions, but said that the language used was not dissimilar to Germany in the 1930s.
If you go and read translations of some of the propaganda put out by the National Socialist Party both before and after they came to power in 1933 (the National Archives in Kew has tons of it, not all online yet) then you have to agree with Lineker. They talk about ‘them’, they talk about preserving ‘our’ way of life. They talk about it’s time to change. Echoes of Braverman’s ‘Enough is Enough’

 

[Hullbee]

Apparently commentators may also boycott.

Finally they are making a watchable show without the noise and silly views. Might actually be the best thing to happen to match of the day

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Lots of BBC reporters and presenters have been warned about posting overtly political tweets in the past.I think Lineker was wholly wrong in comparing the Govt's actions over migrants to what happened in Germany in the 1930s. It was a despicable analogy to make and he crossed the line. It's one thing to champion free speech but not in that form and those supporting his words need to look closely at history.

And those not supporting him need to look very closely at his words and what some with a political agenda have chosen to make of them.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

He didn’t compare the actions, but said that the language used was not dissimilar to Germany in the 1930s.
If you go and read translations of some of the propaganda put out by the National Socialist Party both before and after they came to power in 1933 (the National Archives in Kew has tons of it, not all online yet) then you have to agree with Lineker. They talk about ‘them’, they talk about preserving ‘our’ way of life. They talk about it’s time to change. Echoes of Braverman’s ‘Enough is Enough’

Exactly!!!

 

[SmiffyBee]

No.

You may be thinking the red-nosed chap from Manchester who refused to speak with the BBC over their entirely correct accusations that him recalling MUFC players from Preston when his son was sacked was.....not good.

Instead MUFC fulfilled their legal media obligations by sending his Mexican sidekick out to speak with them instead.

If all PL clubs refuse to speak with the BBC then MotD would simply take the global post-match chat feed

carlos queiroz the Portrogeezer ?

 

[longtimeagobee]

That’s exactly what I mean. I assume you’re hinting the decision was coerced from beyond the organisation?

Perish the thought ?

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

.... he's still got it has AC.....very good.

He was brilliant on Sky News earlier.

 

[Bee(h)Iver]

Wholly disagree. He did not compare the governments actions with what happened in Germany in the 30’s. He said “This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the '30s.” The language is what he highlighted and in respect of it drew parallels to the language of National Socialism.
And yes, I have a degree in European History as it happens and a German spouse so I have some understanding of the context of 1930’s Germany from the Weimar Republic to the Holocaust.

On what he said I and many others wholly agree with him and huge respect to Shearer and Wright.

Far more eloquently put and with far more authority than I could manage. Thank you ?

 

[Wise old Bee]

Wholly disagree. He did not compare the governments actions with what happened in Germany in the 30’s. He said “This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the '30s.” The language is what he highlighted and in respect of it drew parallels to the language of National Socialism.
And yes, I have a degree in European History as it happens and a German spouse so I have some understanding of the context of 1930’s Germany from the Weimar Republic to the Holocaust.

On what he said I and many others wholly agree with him and huge respect to Shearer and Wright.

I had German family members who lived through the 1930s in Berlin and were there until after the war. I have a degree in history and politics. You need neither to see that what he said was, at best, insensitive and to agree with the comparisons he made betrays a lack of understanding.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I had German family members who lived through the 1930s in Berlin and were there until after the war. I have a degree in history and politics. You need neither to see that what he said was, at best, insensitive and to agree with the comparisons he made betrays a lack of understanding.

Wrong audience mate.

 

[Willfly94]

Wholly disagree. He did not compare the governments actions with what happened in Germany in the 30’s. He said “This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the '30s.” The language is what he highlighted and in respect of it drew parallels to the language of National Socialism.
And yes, I have a degree in European History as it happens and a German spouse so I have some understanding of the context of 1930’s Germany from the Weimar Republic to the Holocaust.

On what he said I and many others wholly agree with him and huge respect to Shearer and Wright.

Well said. Irrespective of your views on immigration policy, you're absolutely bonkers if you don't recognize the dehumanizing language directed at migrants that has become so widely accepted. We should all be fearful of where this might lead, which is why Linker has rightly made the comparison.

 

[ruislip bee]

Have not of! Jesus he's on TV?

 

[JCMcBee]

....I hope this MOTD thread doesn't get shut down as a result of political saboteurs..... don't let them shut yet another thread down on the GPG....MOTD is far too important for that to happen....this particular show must go on.

 

[tivadvir]

Lots of BBC reporters and presenters have been warned about posting overtly political tweets in the past.I think Lineker was wholly wrong in comparing the Govt's actions over migrants to what happened in Germany in the 1930s. It was a despicable analogy to make and he crossed the line. It's one thing to champion free speech but not in that form and those supporting his words need to look closely at history.

Have to disagree here. Lots of people expressing similar sentiments to the above but I think Gary’s point was valid. What’s the point of ‘Never Again’ when we can’t call it out when we see it and before it’s too late?

I’m not saying that something so horrible will definitely happen again, but it starts somewhere. Usually in ways similar to this.

I also find it disingenuous to suggest that anyone who disagrees with you doesn’t understand history - it started small. It started with blaming ‘others’ and using very similar rhetoric to what is being used here and around the world (in various guises). In fact, I would suggest that those who argue there is no link are doing history a disservice.

 

[wokinghambee]

What do you think about

* Alan Sugar - with clear racist tweets in addition to highly political ones
* David Attenborough and his claims that HMG must do more re Climate Change
* Andrew Neil who, whilst a BBC employee, ran a right-wing think tank
* Jeremy Clarkson's newspaper columns when hosting Top Gear

?

Without wishing to answer for Wise old bee, none of the people/examples you quote currently earn 1.35 million a year of taxpayers money from the BBC . He is using his lofty public personna to inflict on us his offensive left wing sh.t

 

[Phreebee]

He didn’t compare the actions, but said that the language used was not dissimilar to Germany in the 1930s.
If you go and read translations of some of the propaganda put out by the National Socialist Party both before and after they came to power in 1933 (the National Archives in Kew has tons of it, not all online yet) then you have to agree with Lineker. They talk about ‘them’, they talk about preserving ‘our’ way of life. They talk about it’s time to change. Echoes of Braverman’s ‘Enough is Enough’

Thank you. This is the sort of calm analysis that is missing from the debate.

 

[Hullbee]

Without wishing to answer for Wise old bee, none of the people/examples you quote currently earn 1.35 million a year of taxpayers money from the BBC . He is using his lofty public personna to inflict on us his offensive left wing sh.t

Since when is being left wing offensive

 

[Newbee]

Without wishing to answer for Wise old bee, none of the people/examples you quote currently earn 1.35 million a year of taxpayers money from the BBC . He is using his lofty public personna to inflict on us his offensive left wing sh.t

So you’ll be ok with what he tweeted if he was paid the same as the other people mentioned? Plus his salary doesn’t cover his twitter account (although that may get stricter from now onwards)

 

[JCMcBee]

Without wishing to answer for Wise old bee, none of the people/examples you quote currently earn 1.35 million a year of taxpayers money from the BBC . He is using his lofty public personna to inflict on us his offensive left wing sh.t

....this is the MOTD thread mate.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Since when is being left wing offensive

2016

 

[Banana]

Without wishing to answer for Wise old bee, none of the people/examples you quote currently earn 1.35 million a year of taxpayers money from the BBC . He is using his lofty public personna to inflict on us his offensive left wing sh.t

We were doing so well until you got home from The Slaughtered Lamb.

 

[Banana]

At the risk of advice from my fellow mods, I have decided to re-open this thread as it is football related

I strongly urge all GPGers to think carefully before responding to it however.

If you think you are being witty or downright f***ing hilarious, then just don't post in this thread.
If you think that someone else is being political then use the "report post" feature and leave it to us please. No need to double down.

Most of all, if you find yourself with an uncontrollable urge to respond to a post on this thread then PLEASE take a leaf out of Lineker's book and ask yourself "if I read this post in a few days time, will I perhaps be just 1% unhappy with this post?", and if the answer is not "no" then do not post it. Post it in a few days time, I appreciate your restraint.

Mods, I urge you to be all be red-card happy and thoroughly uncompromising on this thread via the "Manage Reply Bans" feature available from the top right-hand menu. Any out-of-step responses are to be met with a permanent exclusion from this thread. No second chances or explanations are to be provided, I've given that already via this post. This is a fair warning to everyone. If a post of yours post is deleted, then it will have been your last post on this thread.

 

[Banana]

In the meantime, MotD commentators are having a day off